Nerd Mentality

Majinbuu

You're back. awesome.

and yeah, i somewhat agree with you.

OrionPixel: I'll do something for you
OrionPixel: If you do something for me
darkzelda2004: Terms?
OrionPixel: Make a thread on general discussion. Return if you want, just make one thread.
OrionPixel: If you do that.
OrionPixel: I WILL make the nerd guy come back.

*go me*
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Joester

Yeah Dark Zelda... I agree with you, and I am sure everyone on this baord that enters this topic will agree.

So I don't think there is any more room for dicussion.

SATAN ATTACK!

there is more room for discussion than one might think
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Money motivates me.

Motivates me well. Enough to set aside love and fear.

Money is both of those.

Money can be pleasureable if you have it... but fearful if you are worried about not making enough to keep a good amount of money.

Joester

Money is both of those.

Money can be pleasureable if you have it... but fearful if you are worried about not making enough to keep a good amount of money.

Has nothing to do with the convo we are discussing.
DZ says everything we do is motivated by love or fear. How is money motivated at all? It isn't. It doesn't affect my love or fear. In fact, it causes love and fear and isn't affected by it at all.

There are holes in this conversation.
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Shivan

Has nothing to do with the convo we are discussing.
DZ says everything we do is motivated by love or fear. How is money motivated at all? It isn't. It doesn't affect my love or fear. In fact, it causes love and fear and isn't affected by it at all.

There are holes in this conversation.

To be brutally honest we are saying that you are motiveated by your love of money
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Battousai

To be brutally honest we are saying that you are motiveated by your love of money

No, Because I don't LOVE money. I want it but I do not love it. I do not fear it either. Though having money can create the feeling of fear and love. Because of the dilemma on what I can spend the money on.
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Shivan

Has nothing to do with the convo we are discussing.
DZ says everything we do is motivated by love or fear. How is money motivated at all? It isn't. It doesn't affect my love or fear. In fact, it causes love and fear and isn't affected by it at all.

There are holes in this conversation.

you need to open your mind a little bit. Your point of view is all wrong. Money hasn't always been. Money was created by humans who either had a fear of being undervalued or a love of being valued. Think about it.

Shivan

No, Because I don't LOVE money. I want it but I do not love it. I do not fear it either. Though having money can create the feeling of fear and love. Because of the dilemma on what I can spend the money on.

want and desire are a form of love, it is so simplistic it is overlooked as such.
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Dark Zelda

Everything done by humans is motivated by love or fear. All, more specific, emotional motivators can be classified into one of the two.

Agree? Disagree? Are we really such simplistic creatures that every action we perform is based upon only one of two factors, or are we more complex than that?

DISCUSS! DO IT NOW!

I would think you're right in the sense. It comes down to negative and postitive things. Everthing nice=postive=love, and everything bad=negative=fear.

One could simplify it further by saying everything humans do is caused by fear, even seeking pleasure being simply a distancing action from fear.

Fear!

Droan

Humans are simplistic creatures driven by basic instincts.

We are like animals. But with a higher intelligence.

Probably not much higher, but higher.
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Mahatma Ghandi

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

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Droan

Humans are simplistic creatures driven by basic instincts.

That's one thing I always love about reading your posts on any topic that is supposed to be intelligent - you, recognizing that there is supposed to be some sophistication in dealing with the topic, try desperately to be deep or philosophic. And you always sound ridiculous.

*is utterly amazed -- massive applause follows*

I think that humans are normally motivated by either fear or love. However, I think that one thing to definitely keep in mind is that a large percentage of people are motivated out of self-interest. They will work to feed their pocket. Greed and selfishness, or otherwise self-gratification, is unfortunately what prompts too many people into action -- and normally that action is a little bit immoral or unethical. While perhaps legal, a "good person" wouldn't do it. But, I digress, I'm getting a little bit off the topic...

The question, then, is does selfishness stem from love or fear? Perhaps what the person covets is something that they love. You can love money, yes. Clearly if you're being a bum, you'll say "but teh moni iz not teh s3xx0rs," and, I confess, you might not maintain a romantic affiliation with the dead presidents. But love, I believe, is more than just defined as a romantic interaction, as much as it is something that one is passionate about. Hmm.

I think that, this said, I'll agree. The only thing I'll add to it is that most people -- and I do think that most people are inherently self-gratifying and greedy -- are inspired out of the possibility of furthering their own interests. If that fits into the two categories, as it inescapably does in some cases, then I'm backing it all one-hundred percent.

And, I'm a bit surprised to see you here, Madame. In fact, I was utterly baffled. But a welcome is always granted. Always. Kinda like Wal-Mart, except we're sincere.
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TendoGamer

I've lost count of how many shirts you've ruined over the past six years with that tic of yours.

Deneb

Which is why I say that we seek to have the highest level of pleasure possible. Love and fear are just functions of that.

But fear and love (and other things) can supersede pleasure-seeking. People do stupid things. Things that will screw up their lives. People get addicted to things that do not give them pleasure.
I guess all I'm trying to say is, sometimes (a lot of times) people are self-destructive, which is clearly not a path to pleasure.

DeathDaddy

But a welcome is always granted. Always. Kinda like Wal-Mart, except we're sincere.

I was in one yesterday. The greeter didn't greet me! He greeted the lady with the baby next to me but I said hi to him specifically. I'm worthy of a hello, really I am.

DeathDaddy

That's one thing I always love about reading your posts on any topic that is supposed to be intelligent - you, recognizing that there is supposed to be some sophistication in dealing with the topic, try desperately to be deep or philosophic. And you always sound ridiculous.

What are you talking about? This has always been my response towards the human race. It's common knowledge that humans are instict driven. You seek food, shelter and procreation. Just like any animal. As do I and every other human out there. We're animals. Top of the food chain, but animals none the less.

Your posts as always never make any real sense.

And didn't you give up the internet?
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Droan

What are you talking about? This has always been my response towards the human race. It's common knowledge that humans are instict driven. You seek food, shelter and procreation. Just like any animal. As do I and every other human out there. We're animals. Top of the food chain, but animals none the less.

Your posts as always never make any real sense.

And didn't you give up the internet?

Yeah... my posts... they're just totally baffling. Not an ounce of reason in them. Hmmmm.

The reason that your statement was so ridiculous is because we, unlike animals, are sentient. Animals are incapable of reacting outside of their instincts - humans have a level of higher thought and mental processing. Some organisms have an entirely automated way of acting. As they crawl along a path, if they are interrupted, they turn 30 degrees left, and move forward. Continually. That is an example of a being without any willpower at all. Humans are entirely sentient. There are certain instinctive reactions (you pull out a gun, I'm not going to be oblivious to it), but that is not at all defining us as "just like animals."

The only thing that I generalize about the human species is the inclination to self-gratify -- greed, jealousy, et cetera. These things are the shackles of most of the human race. Though, even then, people are diverse enough to break that trend. Similarly, not every person is going to pee when they hear water dropping rthymatically (not a serious example, so don't go ahead and try to use this as a "proof against me").

But you've never been too keen on admitting when you're wrong. So I'll probaby leave you be henceforth.

And I came back to N-Philes for a few reasons. Things are up for me, and, besides that, I've got a lot of time available.
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TendoGamer

I've lost count of how many shirts you've ruined over the past six years with that tic of yours.

DeathDaddy

Yeah... my posts... they're just totally baffling. Not an ounce of reason in them. Hmmmm.

The reason that your statement was so ridiculous is because we, unlike animals, are sentient. Animals are incapable of reacting outside of their instincts - humans have a level of higher thought and mental processing. Some organisms have an entirely automated way of acting. As they crawl along a path, if they are interrupted, they turn 30 degrees left, and move forward. Continually. That is an example of a being without any willpower at all. Humans are entirely sentient. There are certain instinctive reactions (you pull out a gun, I'm not going to be oblivious to it), but that is not at all defining us as "just like animals."

The only thing that I generalize about the human species is the inclination to self-gratify -- greed, jealousy, et cetera. These things are the shackles of most of the human race. Though, even then, people are diverse enough to break that trend. Similarly, not every person is going to pee when they hear water dropping rthymatically (not a serious example, so don't go ahead and try to use this as a "proof against me").

But you've never been too keen on admitting when you're wrong. So I'll probaby leave you be henceforth.

And I came back to N-Philes for a few reasons. Things are up for me, and, besides that, I've got a lot of time available.

It's that they're always screwed up! Look at this one!

*spells in sign language for DeathDaddy*

ANIMALS ARE SENTIENT.
SETIENT MEANS CONSCIOUSLY PERCEIVING.
ANIMALS CAN AND WILL REACT AS SUCH. (if they weren't, the animal kingdom would be pretty boring)
HUMANS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME.

Now then. You're trying to say that because we have a higher inteligence level, that means we aren't animals. That's a pretty foolish remark.

Let's test it.

Man- All alone outside will find shelter from the cold. (instinct)
Tiger- All alone outside will find shelter from the cold. (instinct)

Man- Is hungry so he eats to survive. (instinct)
Tiger- Is hungry so he eats to survive. (instinct)

Man- Sees fine looking lady. Wants to procreate. (instinct)
Tiger- Sees female tiger. Wants to procreate. (instinct)

Man- Can't decide between steak or lobster.
Tiger- Doesn't give a rat's ass. Just wants to eat.

Man and animal go hand in hand. It's common knowledge. (or atleast I thought it was until I had to explain it to you.)

And don't bother trying to state feelings as a divider. Animals show feelings as well. From a cat's affection of love to a dog's protection of it's master. Animals can be down and sad and they can also be happy. You're giving far to much credit for being able to walk on 2's and wear clothes.
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TendoGamer

I've lost count of how many shirts you've ruined over the past six years with that tic of yours.

DeathDaddy

Next time I see a monkey driving down the street in his custom-built PT Cruiser, I'll consider believing that humans and animals are pretty close together.

That's just what I said. You're trying to play on the fact that we live in an advanced society. We're still instinctive in nature, you're just too proud to admit your wrongings. How sad.

Oh and you see monkey's driving cars all day. Man is just the evolved form of the monkey.
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TendoGamer

I've lost count of how many shirts you've ruined over the past six years with that tic of yours.

DeathDaddy

You reacted as stupidly as I had hoped you to.

When we all started off, no one had an advanced society. We were all just baring it all in the jungle. But, somehow, this "human species" was able to innovate to create, to have the imagination to develop new things. We also maintained the ability to pass on the information eventually from one generation to the next, building atop our knowledge, it compiling and growing like a snowball rolled down a hill. Meanwhile, the animals were just blindly going about their day. They'd eat, go home, poop at some point, and sleep. They didn't do anything else. There was no community structured for their race, no knowledge and furthering in discovery, and absolutely no way to grow on their knowledge. Possibly because their brains were incapable of understanding in such a way. Hmmm.

Another thing that seems to be different in humans than in animals - the perception of right and wrong. How many times do you see the mother bear slap her baby's wrist because it was doing something it shouldn't? Or do you see dogs surround another dog and try to peer pressure him into attacking the mailman, but that dog stands to its convictions, barking back "But it's wrong, Fido!"...? Hmm. It doesn't happen.

But, in spite of all of this, you believe that a human's mind is fundamentally the same as an animal's. We are not capable of any higher degree of mental association than the animal. In fact, we don't have any degree of freewill at all. We kinda think we do, but we're really just bouncing off of each other randomly. Because, it's my instinct to put off doing my work when I'm told to do it. I actually do not consider that I am in the middle of something, and weigh that with the urgency of the situation. I, instead, immediately run that pretentious system in my mind, tricking myself into thinking I was making a decision, and actually had already reacted with a "Nah, I'll do it later." Or perhaps animals are constantly choosing and weighing options in their minds? They make complex thoughts about whether they should go with Pedigree or if they should go with Iams. Well, which one has lower carbs? I'm a carb-counting dog.

A human has instincts, and I never said that we did not. But we are very far displaced from animals. And, if reading this post, you still stubbornly maintain some outlandish idea that we're really all quite the same, my suspicions are confirmed that you are a nincompoop. And this nincompoop pinched off by some powerful sphincter sinks.

*begins drumming up a storm*

How did the human race become more advanced? (is what you were trying to say) Put your hands out. Now close your fingers. And BAM!! Opposable thumbs.

Animals pass on knoweldge aswell. Christ man! Where is your brain?
Yeah Tigers give birth and that's it. They just up and leave and the baby has to learn everything all over again. WRONG! Watch a nature show once and you'll see the parent teaching the child how to do things and live. P-A-S-S-I-N-G K-N-O-W-L-E-D-G-E.

There have even been animals that are further learning. One show recorded a species of bird that eats fish, gather pieces of bread that people were throwing to other birds, and it placed the bread bits on the water. The bread would attract the fish and swoop! the bird gets it's fish. Know I don't recall them doing that before. It's called adaptation. And animals do it along with humans.

You're just too self absorbed to witness the changes that are ever passing. If only humans changed, then wouldn't we be living with the same damn animals from millions of years ago? *looks for Megaladon* I don't see him. OH WAIT! He's the great white shark now.
You're so blind you only think humans are changing. Once again....how sad.

Animals have right and wrong too. Seriously! Watch a nature show. You'll see parental animals snatching young from the obviously wrong. Like a young lion trying to scratch a large zebra. The parent grabs the young cub and oddly enough, I don't see the young cub heading right back for that large zebra.
Humans are incapable of understanding an animal language. For all we know, they could very well be scolding their young.
You see, right and wrong are also instictive. That's common knowledge aswell.

And I'll answer your long boring theory.
Humans do what they want. (If you don't understand, I guess I'll explain it further.)
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