Nerd Mentality

Game Guru

This decision basically means the American schools can be segregated defacto. Although they can't actually REFUSE black students, local communities can no-longer require a school have a population that is 15% black for example. This means that you could start seeing schools with a population of 90% white/hispanic/black for example, and generally among libers and probably most Americans, that's not a good thing. I dunno, the congress could probably actually legislate such requirements, but we already had it in the courts so the decision must either be overturned or legislated directly by congress.

Why should a school require a certain amount of minority students? Quota systems are retarded, and no this isn't bringing back segregation. It's saying that you can't discriminate by race, whatever the race is.

Did you even read the article?
___________________

Game Guru

Although they can't actually REFUSE black students, local communities can no-longer require a school have a population that is 15% black for example.

So school communities will more properly represent their community? I think requiring a % of races in a school is kinda wrong.

Drunken Savior

So school communities will more properly represent their community? I think requiring a % of races in a school is kinda wrong.

Ah! Now we're getting somewhere. The purpose of racial qutas in PUBLIC schools (not private), beyond the benefit that comes from having kids exposed to other races (thus curbing racism) was to ensure a more balaced school system. There's already a wide enough gap of preformance between poor and rich schools, that gap will only become more pronounced with this decision.
___________________

Game Guru

This decision basically means the American schools can be segregated defacto. Although they can't actually REFUSE black students, local communities can no-longer require a school have a population that is 15% black for example.

So? Diversity should be encouraged, but making it mandatory is stupid.
___________________

How would you feel to be a black person in a white school, knowing you were put there, and not with the kids you play with around your home, because of the government?

Our schools in Albany, GA, and I didn't care. I was part of the Magnet program anyway, so I never really saw the kids in my neighborhood at school.

Do we break down a school to properly represent the current documented population? Where would we find all these children?

This isn't really a question of whether it's possible or not. We've been doing it since the 70's.

I think it's slightly racist too.

So it's racist to curb racism by encouraging interaction with people of other cultures and races?

So? Diversity should be encouraged, but making it mandatory is stupid.

Why? People won't do it on their own so they should be forced to do so.
___________________

Paul Weller

quotas = discrimination

discrimination is wrong. race shouldn't be a factor. if we stop treating it like it's a factor, it'll slowly cease to be one.

Quotas only reinforce the idea that people from different races are different.

Agreed 100%.

Game Guru

So it's racist to curb racism by encouraging interaction with people of other cultures and races?

That was the goal. The execution to achieve that was horribly done.

Paul Weller

discrimination is wrong. race shouldn't be a factor. if we stop treating it like it's a factor, it'll slowly cease to be one.

That's a nice theory, for the conservative dreamland... but it's impractical and lacks any type of conventional logic. If I lived in an area where I played with nothing but black kids, saw nothing but black teachers, coaches, and mentors. Do you honestly think I won't be biased toward black people when I grow up and leave that neighborhood? I'm begging to hear how you explain this away...

Quotas only reinforce the idea that people from different races are different.

They are. And people need to be exposed to different races in order to not be racist. We already tried your way...didn't seem to work too well with all the riots and stuff. Much of the tension formed in the period between slavery and the end of segragation was a result of the fact people were segregated, not merely the existance of any law.

i don't see how anybody overturned brown vs board of education.

They overturned it in spirit. When liberals enacted the Brown ruling, they meant that schools should be intigrated. If a school is not intigrated because 95% of the people living in an area are say, white, the school needs to be intigrated with people of another race.

this reinforces that further

The backwards conservetive notion of it, yes.

___________________

Drunken Savior

That was the goal. The execution to achieve that was horribly done.

It was? How so?

Snuggles

"constitution is what it says"

Well, yeah, liberals tend to have a more evolutionary view of the constitution.

___________________

Chrono

Color isn't a difference, at all.

Not in and of itself, but I hope you wouldn't be so lost as to say that there are no cultural differences that almost all of the time go along with the color of your skin.

rom going into the school just because they need more blacks.

And whites would almost always get the better school because they are often richer than the blacks. That's just the way it is.
___________________

Why would I make my black kid go to a white school if it was out of my way.

Because it's better and a bus can take you there?
___________________

that moron

Well, yeah, liberals tend to have a more evolutionary view of the constitution.

The Bill of Rights - Conservative Edition
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

The Bill of Rights - Liberal Edition
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law permitting religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of politically correct speech, or of the non-fox news/talk radio press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble in protest of dubya, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances demand excessive payouts in frivolous lawsuits.

Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law. be given adequate protection, support, munitions, or respect from the country they protect.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their the State's persons, houses, papers, bombs, biological agents, thermonuclear devices, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated.

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property shall be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense. cable television, millions of dollars of legal proceedings to acertain whether their slimeball lawyer properly filed his stalling request, regular taxpayer-funded entertainment on the Lido Deck, and daily mocking sessions of their victim's grieving family state wards.

Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law. Tuesdays are double lawsuit days!

Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. the absolute power of the State.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

The beauty of evolution.

That was fun. In all seriousness, this is common sense, even legally! Racial quotas are wrong. Quotas of any inconsequential kind are, really. I mean, you need a certain number of secretaries at a business, you don't need a certain number of black/white/female/gay/new york/illegal/whatever people, the government has no business mandating it.

MrSnuggles

game guru, youre an idiot. all the court did was ruled that the "constitution is what it says". race based admissions are clearly a violation of the equal protection clause.

Your post makes sense...

And I agree.
___________________

The Arabs are the best because they crossed the dessert.
Ya, the Jews got lost

Paul Weller

i don't see how anybody overturned brown vs board of education. you're so retarded i can't even believe it.

honestly i think this is the only response this thread deserves

I still haven't heard one logical argument as to WHY we shouldn't have quotas in public schools that DON'T require any kind of acedemic ability to get into

___________________

FunkMasterGeneral

because a quota system is racist

Noun

• S: (n) racist, racialist (a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others)
  

Adjective

• S: (adj) racist (based on racial intolerance) "racist remarks"
  
• S: (adj) racist, antiblack, anti-Semite (discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion)
  

___________________

dis·crim·i·nate (dĭ-skrĭm'ə-nāt') pronunciation

v., -nat·ed, -nat·ing, -nates.

v.intr.


1. To make a clear distinction; distinguish: discriminate among the options available.
2. To make distinctions on the basis of class or category without regard to individual merit; show preference or prejudice: was accused of discriminating against women; discriminated in favor of his cronies.

Thank you and goodnight.
___________________

http://swagbucks.com/refer/migetmonkee91
Don't doubt this site, sign up with my link and read the instructions. It rules!

I still haven't heard one logical argument as to WHY we shouldn't have quotas in public schools that DON'T require any kind of acedemic ability to get into

Paul Weller, kind of put up a logical argument...I just don't think it was a very good one.
___________________

Game Guru

[color=Teal]The problem with having a literal interpretation of the constitution is that you can't provide exceptions when they make sense.

What about the fact its inconvenient, a lot of work and doesn't represent the local neighborhood?


Also what does it accomplish having 10 black people in a school of 100, 3 Mexicans and 5 Asians? Especially in say Alaska?

Game Guru

Well, yeah, liberals tend to have a more evolutionary view of the constitution.

you mean liberals dont like the constitution. the court made the right decision, brown v. board was bad in that the courts decision on how to deal with desegregation was itself in violation of the constitution. you dont defeat racism with more racism.
___________________
JFK: Ich bin ein Berliner
BHO: Ich bin ein beginner

Advance

What this decision says on its face is that schools can't integrate.

it doesnt say that, it says that schools cant deny people admission because of their race. white students were being told that they couldnt go to certain schools because there were already too many white kids.

now, if they were to do this based on economic circumstances it would make more sense.
___________________
JFK: Ich bin ein Berliner
BHO: Ich bin ein beginner

MrSnuggles

it doesnt say that, it says that schools cant deny people admission because of their race.

If integration is putting black kids and white kids in the same school together because of their race, these cases makes that unconstitutional in some/most circumstances.

Since we're talking about public, secondary education, I really don't buy into the "admissions" classification here. People weren't denied admission anywhere per se. White kids and black kids were assigned to particular schools to maintain racial populations that were no less than 15% minority and no more than 50% minority.
___________________

Advance

If integration is putting black kids and white kids in the same school together because of their race, these cases makes that unconstitutional in some/most circumstances.

Since we're talking about public, secondary education, I really don't buy into the "admissions" classification here. People weren't denied admission anywhere per se. White kids and black kids were assigned to particular schools to maintain racial populations that were no less than 15% minority and no more than 50% minority.

my understanding is that any parent living in seattle could apply to any school in the seattle school district. except if youre white, in which case your choices are limited. people can integrate themselves if they choose to, but the government shouldnt have any part in it because obviously its unconstitutional.

and to the contrary, if blacks want to segregate themselves, let em. no skin off my back.
___________________
JFK: Ich bin ein Berliner
BHO: Ich bin ein beginner

?huh?

lol gameguru

agreed
___________________

Mahatma Ghandi

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

Brawl- 2320-5856-7241

Game Guru

Hmmm, since it seems that there's some confusion about what I mean by "quotas" I should probably explain where I'm coming from. Where I come from (Georgia), we don't allow people to apply where you go to school (unless it's the magnet program). The zone in which you live is where you go to school. In order to meet certain racial quotas they'd divide the neighborhoods up. For example: One side of the street would go to Albany High School, the other would go to Westover. This was okay because both of the schools were on the west side...but more black people lived near AHS so they divided the street up where the majority of the white people lived. The same thing happened on the East side. So what I'm saying is that white people weren't denied the ability to go to a certain school, they never got the choice (and neither did anyone else).

Just wanna clear that up as it might've been a disconnect in the argument.

it's not always done that simple. in my area they bused black kids in from an area an hour away. a girl i knew got picked up at 5:45 and didn't get home until around 5:15 or so. this also made after school activities nearly impossible for those kids. there was a high school 5 minutes from where she lived too.