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Star Fox 2 = Crap?
(Achtung, baby: I'm basing all of this on a video I saw on G4TechTV last night (on the show Cinematech), and I'm pretty sure this is the E3 2004 trailer. If anyone saw that too last night, can you confirm or deny this please? Thanks.)

OK, I tried to have an open mind about Starfox 2, but last night I saw what I can only assume is the 2004 E3 video, and I was HEAVILY disappointed. Instead of just bashing on the game (and pissing people off), I'm going to do an in-depth preview of what I think sucks. So here we go:

GRAPHICS:
I really don't know where to begin, so I'll just say this. When I got my first glimpse of Fox in the video, I thought he looked like a $7.99 stuffed toy. This new "100% attitude" design is just RETARDED. It makes Fox, look stupid, plain and simple. The other character models are decent, however they may be the only decent-looking things in this entire game, once you consider the ugly vehicles and the bland, uninspired enviroments. Also, in the on-foot mode, the animations are horribly busted! I'll use Krystal as an example (because it was most apparent with her). OK, picture a semi-OK model of Krystal holding a bazooka. Now, make the body move fast, but make her legs move faster. Then give her the ability to tilt her torso while holding the bazooka in all directions WHILE maintaining her top speed. It just looks BUSTED. I can't really say anymore about the graphics, but I was SERIOUSLY expecting more.

AUDIO: OK, I don't have much to say here so I'll make it quick. The SFX are decent, if not generic. The music in the video was a techno remix of the SSB:M Venom arrangement, except preformed on 5 cheapass Casio keyboards. And since when did Fox sound exactly like Sonic in SA2:Battle? The voice acting is pure crap, and it is making me look forward to skipping the cutscenes, which I did not originally intend to do. Plus Fox says the most retarded things I have ever heard, such as "Who am I? I'm Fox, Fox McCloud, and DON'T FORGET IT!". It is extremely ear grating. I hope the Namco sound designer gets hit by a car.

GAMEPLAY: Here's what might be the most dissapointing thing of all. You have 2 modes: in a vehicle (Arwing or Landmaster) or on foot. Neither look really exciting. The Arwing mode looks OK, I mean it looks to be solid, but it doesn't seem to excite much. I'm sensing a lot of unwanted repetivity. I think this has to do with the bland levels. There is no stand-out level that makes me want to go play this game. I haven't seen enough of the LandMaster to pass decent judgment, but I have very low expectations for it. As for the on-foot mode, don't EVEN get me started. I don't see how this will be fun; the aiming's busted, the speed is too slow, the weapons are boring/unbalanced and the levels are uninspired/repetitive. This is a crying shame, folks. This doesn't pass for gameplay, this is just pure crap.

OVERALL: First the sub-par GC Ridge Racer, and now this. I don't think that Namco is ready for the current generation of consoles. (Yes, I know about SC2. That must have been a fluke.) Before you think I'm bashing on this game, please know that THIS WAS THE GAME I WAS MOST LOOKING FORWARD TO. It really is dissapointing to me, and a lot of Star Fox fans to see how Namco can ruin one of our favorite franchises. I could say more bad things about Namco, but instead I'll leave with this genuis quote by our very own Sonicblue:


Originally posted by sonicblue
*ring.. ring.. ring.. click!*

Capcom: "Hello Namco? Hi, yeah it's the Resident Evil 4 guys from Capcom, how's it going? Whatcha up to?"

Namco: "Oh pretty good, you know same old same old. Just playing a little Halo."

Capcom: "Cool, cool. How are the wife and kids?"

Namco: "They're doing great, I get to see them a lot nowadays since we're totally sitting on our hands over here during the Star Fox development."

Capcom: "Hell yeah I hear ya, that must be sweet. Last time I did that was back in 02 when we were doing Devil May Cry 2."

Namco: "Yeah, it's really a sweet gig. So what's up? Why the phone call out of the blue?"

Capcom: "Oh yeah, I just wanted to give you a little message from our director. Turns out he was lying afterall and we won't have this game ready until early January. Can you believe that ****?"

Namco: "Oh snap, that's really gotta suck."

Capcom: "Yeah yeah.. it does. Well, I mean not so much for us, moreso for you guys."

Namco: "Us? Why?"

Capcom: "Well you know, now there's this big gap in the GameCube's holiday lineup. So we were kind of hoping you guys over there at the Star Fox development team could pick up the slack for us. That okay with you?"

Namco: "What what what?! We've been screwing around with this game for the past two years dude. We've literally got like nothing done. We were relying on you guys to be the big third party publisher for the Cube this year. DUDE. You can't do this to us."

Capcom: "Hey, I'm sorry man, these things happen. But don't fret yo, you've got like what? Two or three months till you have to get the game out there? You'll be fine, just work overtime and I'm sure everything will be okay.

Namco: "DUDE. I don't think you ****ing understand what's going on over here. We've just been spending all of Nintendo's money on strippers and keg parties. All we have is like two space levels, a backwards ass multiplayer and voice acting from the janitors. It's totally ****ed up over here."

Capcom: "I hear ya, well, good luck with that. I'll be sure to drop a good word in for you when I talk to Shiggy, see ya at TGS!"

Namco: "DUDE!!!"

*click*

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Actually im all hyped for it now, After i saw all those videos i think this game has potential.
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Ok your basing this on the E3 2003 video I think not E3 2K4. This game has potential. Plus, Cinematech doesn't exactly show off the best stuff in the games.
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It needs work but hopefully they won't put it out before it's ready. It still could be a killer game.
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Originally posted by Tsuune
It needs work but hopefully they won't put it out before it's ready. It still could be a killer game.



Yeah, as in "system-killer".

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This game looks like $hit!!!. I am now just waiting for Nintendo's word on Starfox Adventures 2. When is it coming out so we can have another good Starfox game. So far Starfox 2 looks so dumb and would need a major graphics overhaul and animations need some heavy work. But if I know Nintendo they will screw this one up and just fix it in the next game in the series.
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Did you ever even play Star Fox 64? Did you play multi-player with the on-foot guys? Aiming is not "busted", it's done just like SF64, which I think is a good thing.

I also wish people would come up with better descriptions than "bland" and "uninspired". They are the most overused words on videogame forums ever. You've seen glimpses of the game. Wathing glimpses of Star Fox 64 would be just about as lame. Is it supposed to have more to it than a game from last generation? Yes - and it does. Would I complain if it had the best looking graphics this gen? Heck no, but I don't care about the graphics. If it's as fun as Star Fox 64 was, I'm set. And from all the videos I've seen, I see nothing that shouts "this game isn't fun". When I see a video that looks unfun - I'll be worried. Until then I'll just hope for the best.

There are almost 4 months until the game releases. Having a Star Fox = Crap poll now seems stupid.
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After playing the game @ E32K4 I must say I do feel better about the game than when it was announced at E32K3. The game was quite fun, I must admit.
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Originally posted by tmoney
Did you ever even play Star Fox 64? Did you play multi-player with the on-foot guys? Aiming is not "busted", it's done just like SF64, which I think is a good thing.

I also wish people would come up with better descriptions than "bland" and "uninspired". They are the most overused words on videogame forums ever. You've seen glimpses of the game. Wathing glimpses of Star Fox 64 would be just about as lame. Is it supposed to have more to it than a game from last generation? Yes - and it does. Would I complain if it had the best looking graphics this gen? Heck no, but I don't care about the graphics. If it's as fun as Star Fox 64 was, I'm set. And from all the videos I've seen, I see nothing that shouts "this game isn't fun". When I see a video that looks unfun - I'll be worried. Until then I'll just hope for the best.

There are almost 4 months until the game releases. Having a Star Fox = Crap poll now seems stupid.



I would have to applaud your post as the stupidest counter-argument ever. But it's OK, I forgive you. You're in DENIAL.

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Originally posted by tmoney

I also wish people would come up with better descriptions than "bland" and "uninspired".



Would you say that the words "bland" and "uninspired" are in fact, bland and uninspired?

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You're full of it Echo. You cannot judge an E3 video for the full game. Remember, it's Namco. They will pull this one off. If YOU'RE still in denial then you should wait for the completed version and give it a rent. Otherwise, shut your mouth. Bowser

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Judging be your description, Im gonna guess you watched the E3 2003 video. Fox didnt say "Who am I? Im Fox" in the E3 2004 trailer. And most impressions say that the E3 2004 version was alot better than the 2003 version.

Click here to see the E3 2004 trailer


Also, the voice actors in the E3 build was done by game testers(or something). Its not final.

Click here to see the 2nd E3 2004 trailer(which is better IMO)
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Originally posted by SlyFox
This game looks like $hit!!!. I am now just waiting for Nintendo's word on Starfox Adventures 2. When is it coming out so we can have another good Starfox game.

Uh.. SFA was complete suck. On the sucking scale, it ranked a nice "I SUCK FOR A LIVING".

Dude, we do not want another SFA. Ever.
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I'm excited for this game, and I might end up buying it now that Resident Evil 4 has been put on hold for a couple more months. I can't wait to give it a go, because I'm sure Namco will pull through.

And the gameplay looks like great fun to me, but I've been craving a shooter for a while.

I was only planning to ask for it for Christmas (and know for sure that I wouldn't be getting it), but now I just might be getting it. Watching those videos again was just enough to put the faith back into me.
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I'm looking forward to it. Really could it get any worse than Starfox Adventures?
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I've played SFA in a store for around 5 minutes, and I'm thinking of buying it later this month. Is it REALLY that bad?
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The game is looking alright to me...
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I don't know what is wrong with your eyes because this game looks 5Xs as fun as StarFox 64
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I think the game can be really fun. Obviously they badly need to fix the graphics. Fox looks like a smooth peice of plastic. If they want this game to be a succses then they have to put in the effort. They got plenty of time to polish it up.
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Originally posted by EchoMorphsapient
I've played SFA in a store for around 5 minutes, and I'm thinking of buying it later this month. Is it REALLY that bad?


NO! I loved SFA. It's one of my fav Cube games. I know it wasn't like the tradition Star Fox games, but aside from that, I thought it was a solid game.

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SFA had too much collecting of stuff. And I didn't like the fighting, I wanted something a little more freeform.

SF2 will own the GC lineup this year.
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Originally posted by gramathy
SFA had too much collecting of stuff. And I didn't like the fighting, I wanted something a little more freeform.

SF2 will own the GC lineup this year.



I liked the fighting up to a point. I had the same combo through out the game. Enough was enough of that stupid staff combo. SF2 will be a great game come this fall for the Cube.

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And it looks really fun and its even got the ACE people behind it...but still this is another game made by Namco were it seems...


I dunno for this I want it to be good so I am just going to wait and see.
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Originally posted by EchoMorphsapient
I've played SFA in a store for around 5 minutes, and I'm thinking of buying it later this month. Is it REALLY that bad?

You'd better believe it. It's a boring adventure game. You'd make out better picking up Sphinx or something for $5.
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Originally posted by Pojo
You'd better believe it. It's a boring adventure game. You'd make out better picking up Sphinx or something for $5.



I enjoyed SFA.

So I don't know what your problem is....
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Originally posted by Shivan
I enjoyed SFA.

So I don't know what your problem is....


YES! Thank you Shivan! Clap

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Originally posted by EchoMorphsapient
I would have to applaud your post as the stupidest counter-argument ever. But it's OK, I forgive you. You're in DENIAL.



I dignified your crap whining session by reading all the way through and giving you a real response. You asked us for feedback and I gave it to you. I expect some appreciation and an apology. Otherwise, take your pessimistic, know-it-all attitude somewhere else.


ALSO - On top of having 4 months remaining to polish it, even the E3 2004 video is of a build a good 4 months ago. That's 8 months to work on the game. I'm not in denial. I'm being optimistic.

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Originally posted by Shivan
I enjoyed SFA.

So I don't know what your problem is....

My problem is the game. It sucks.
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Originally posted by nenned
Would you say that the words "bland" and "uninspired" are in fact, bland and uninspired?



lol

Very.

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If you think the game sucks because of a trailer you saw on G4, then you don't deserve to have the game. Impressions of the game this year were mostly positive, and craploads of gameplay footage I saw looked outstanding.
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Originally posted by tmoney
ALSO - On top of having 4 months remaining to polish it, even the E3 2004 video is of a build a good 4 months ago. That's 8 months to work on the game. I'm not in denial. I'm being optimistic.

Four months from now is December. I thought this game was due out in October? And speaking of it's imminent release, shouldn't we be seeing some new screens, interviews, previews, videos or boxart by now? Metroid Prime 2: Echoes already has a final name and a demo disc coming out. And Paper Mario 2 has a final name as well is already out in Japan. Where the ****ing hell is Star Fox?

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Originally posted by sonicblue
Four months from now is December. I thought this game was due out in October? And speaking of it's imminent release, shouldn't we be seeing some new screens, interviews, previews, videos or boxart by now? Metroid Prime 2: Echoes already has a final name and a demo disc coming out. And Paper Mario 2 has a final name as well is already out in Japan. Where the ****ing hell is Star Fox?



Nintendo lists it as November 29th on their site. That's the date they've given since E3 I think. We probably should have some more info by now. MP2 I imagine is more polished than SF2 is, simply because it's an upgraded existing engine.

But really - I woudln't be surprised if they delayed SF2 - but then they don't have much for the cube this Holiday season.

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They didn't have much last year either.
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Originally posted by sonicblue
They didn't have much last year either.



Well thanks captain obvious. Tongue

PM2 and MP2 are probably a bigger combo than MKDD was last year, but it certainly does seem like Nintendo has missed Christmas with their big titles. Last year Metal Gear missed. This year RE4 looks to miss. Maybe the cube isn't as easy to develop for as they've led us to believe.

Personally, I don't care as long as the games come every now and then ( although I haven't bought a new game since FFCC Crap ). I'll still want to play the games coming out in 2005. But it's not going to help Nintendo move any cubes at this rate.

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Regarding SF2, I think that you're either interested in it or you're not. Personally, I can't wait for it to come out. But, for people who don't give a crap about it, that's nice, but us who do, don't care.
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Originally posted by octorok and roll
If you think the game sucks because of a trailer you saw on G4, then you don't deserve to have the game. Impressions of the game this year were mostly positive, and craploads of gameplay footage I saw looked outstanding.

If you were directing that towards me, I was talking about SFA, not SF2. Tongue

I'm interested in SF2, but I don't get that...tingly feeling inside when I see it like I did when SF64 was announced. The on-foot missions have me scared to death. It reminds me of Rebel Strike. Crap
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Originally posted by EchoMorphsapient
I've played SFA in a store for around 5 minutes, and I'm thinking of buying it later this month. Is it REALLY that bad?



I played it and beat it and I must say its a horrible game. Only the andross fight at the end was DECENT everything else was repetitve as hell.

also, its not like star fox 2 is some brand new game they are coming out with its just a game that hasnt made its way here for years. Its not relying on graphics or anything and the gameplay is identical to star fox 64. if you didnt like it then go find another game to play and stop bitching.

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Originally posted by Pojo
You'd better believe it. It's a boring adventure game. You'd make out better picking up Sphinx or something for $5.



Come on, Pojix, you're being too harsh. I would give the game a high 7 or a low 8. It looked gorgeous, it played decently, and taking away the fact that it was pretty shallow and bland, it would've been a great game.

It isn't, but it's not THAT bad.
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SFA was at least an above average game. It's not one of the best adventure games on the system, but its definetley not horrible either. It got repetative, but it didn't drag on or get to the point where I didn't want to keep playing it. The collecting wasn't as bad as some make it out to be.

At this point, I'm not looking forward to Namco's Star Fox, but I doubt it will be released this year anyway. I'll wait until I see impressions of a more complete build of it.
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Originally posted by Darkdolphin
SFA was at least an above average game. It's not one of the best adventure games on the system, but its definetley not horrible either. It got repetative, but it didn't drag on or get to the point where I didn't want to keep playing it. The collecting wasn't as bad as some make it out to be.

At this point, I'm not looking forward to Namco's Star Fox, but I doubt it will be released this year anyway. I'll wait until I see impressions of a more complete build of it.



....um...ditto. You read my mind.WTF

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where is pikmin 2 in all of this release madness?
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I'm really looking forward to this game. I've own the SNES and N64 Star Fox games and will surely own this. The judging on the video is stupid. 2/3 of what you said had nothing to do with the gameplay. Which is what makes SF so popular.

I admit I didn't like the voices one bit when I heard them. Which is why I was relieved to hear that those were not and would not be the final voices.

The main concern that I'm sure they can fix is what people are calling the "floaty" movement of the arwing.

I'm good.

Suck it up.

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Originally posted by Code_Link
Come on, Pojix, you're being too harsh. I would give the game a high 7 or a low 8. It looked gorgeous, it played decently, and taking away the fact that it was pretty shallow and bland, it would've been a great game.

It isn't, but it's not THAT bad.

Ok, so maybe it's merely average. Mediocre is a better way to put it. The graphics are gorgeous, but everything else is standard. Oh, and the flight scenes are *edited*.

Originally posted by Andrew
where is pikmin 2 in all of this release madness?

A few weeks away.
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I have no idea how 14 people can vote "no way dude lolz" when the game is 4 months away from being released and all we've seen is a few 10 second movies and some screen shots.
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Originally posted by Streethawk
I have no idea how 14 people can vote "no way dude lolz" when the game is 4 months away from being released and all we've seen is a few 10 second movies and some screen shots.

I've seen at least 30 minutes of footage and I've read countless previews and hands-on impressions.

The game isn't looking good.

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Originally posted by sonicblue
I've seen at least 30 minutes of footage and I've read countless previews and hands-on impressions.

The game isn't looking good.



Do you have a link/links to all that footage? I'd like to see them.

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It's all at IGN.

And I probably exaggerated with 30 minutes. 15 minutes sounds right though. Not "a few 10 second clips." Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)
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I still think it looks good from the footage I've seen.
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Originally posted by Andrew
Uh.. SFA was complete suck. On the sucking scale, it ranked a nice "I SUCK FOR A LIVING".

Dude, we do not want another SFA. Ever.




Uhhh SFA was the best and only game that was designed like that in which I like. I want another SFA thats it Starfox 2 just looks horrible.

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