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A "classic approach" Top 100 Games of All Time
Well over at the forum of Digital Press a site dedicated to classic gaming made a list of the top 100 games of all time. I thought this was a really different list then what you'll typically see, so I thought I'd post it here as well.

(ignore the numbers on the right)

1 Super Mario Bros 3 NES 576
2 Super Metroid SNES 547
3 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past SNES 511
4 Super Mario Bros NES 438
5 Super Mario World (Super Mario Bros 4) SNES 401
6 Final Fantasy 3/6 SNES 391
7 Chrono Trigger SNES 357
8 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time N64 339
9 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night PS1 331
10 Legend of Zelda NES 329
11 Tetris All 297
12 Super Mario 64 N64 284
13 Final Fantasy 7 PS1 227
14 Sonic the Hedgehog 2 Genesis/MD 223
15 Katamari Damacy PS2 217
16 Super Mario Kart SNES 204
17 Metal Gear Solid PS1/Gamecube 198
18 Contra NES 196
19 Goldeneye N64 189
20 Final Fantasy 2/4 SNES 183
21 Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island SNES 183
22 Mega Man 2 NES 173
23 Mario Kart 64 N64 172
24 Resident Evil 4 Gamecube/PS2 168
25 NiGHTS into Dreams Saturn 165
26 Gunstar Heroes Genesis/MD 160
27 Metroid NES 145
28 Super Mario Bros 2 NES 138
29 Tecmo Super Bowl NES 138
30 Doom PC 135
31 Pacman Arcade 127
32 Galaga Arcade 125
33 Shenmue Dreamcast 125
34 Super Smash Bros Melee Gamecube 123
35 Ms Pacman Arcade 114
36 Earthbound SNES 110
37 Castlevania NES 108
38 Baseball Stars NES 105
39 Grand Theft Auto San Andreas All 105
40 Panzer Dragoon Saga Saturn 104
41 Final Fantasy Tactics PS1 98
42 Sonic CD Sega CD 95
43 Tempest 2000 Jaguar 93
44 Mike Tyson's Punchout! (or Punchout!) NES 92
45 Rez Dreamcast/PS2 92
46 Sim City All 92
47 System Shock 2 PC 92
48 Dance Dance Revolution (all) All 91
49 Soul Calibur All 89
50 Castlevania 3 NES 88
51 Grand Theft Auto Vice City All 88
52 Radiant Silvergun All 88
53 Mega Man 3 NES 84
54 Robotron 2084 Arcade 83
55 Fallout 2 PC 81
56 Phantasy Star Online All 81
57 Star Control 2 PC/3DO 81
58 Half Life 2 PC 77
59 Sonic the Hedgehog Genesis/MD 77
60 Dragon Warrior 4 NES 76
61 Deus Ex PC 75
62 Metroid Prime Gamecube 75
63 Secret of Mana SNES 74
64 Street Fighter 2 Turbo Hyper Fighting All 74
65 Tempest Arcade 71
66 Toe Jam and Earl Genesis/MD 71
67 Castlevania 2 NES 70
68 Jet Grind Radio Dreamcast 69
69 Snatcher Sega CD 69
70 Street Fighter 2 All 68
71 Phantasy Star 4 Genesis/MD 67
72 Capcom vs SNK 2 All 65
73 Super Mario RPG SNES 65
74 SNK vs Capcom Cardfighter's Clash NGPC 64
75 Phantasy Star SMS 63
76 Pokemon Red/Blue Gameboy 62
77 Metal Gear Solid 3 PS2 61
78 Phantasy Star 2 Genesis/MD 61
79 Civilization 2 PC 60
80 Legend of Zelda: Windwaker Gamecube 60
81 Starfox 64 N64 60
82 Guardian Heroes Saturn 59
83 Sonic the Hedgehog 3 Genesis/MD 59
84 Day of the Tentacle PC 58
85 Doom 2 PC 57
86 Grandia All 56
87 Metal Gear Solid 2 PS2 56
88 Silent Hill PS1 55
89 Wonder Boy 3 SMS 55
90 Daytona USA All 54
91 Contra 3 SNES 53
92 Earthworm Jim All 53
93 Fallout PC 53
94 Marvel vs Capcom 2 All 53
95 Shining Force 2 Genesis/MD 53
96 Sonic the Hedgehog SMS 53
97 Suikoden 2 PS1 53
98 Mortal Kombat 2 All 52
99 Asteroids Arcade 51
100 Final Fantasy NES 51

Agree? Disagree?
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Old School Gamer

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It's pretty good. Better than a lot of them. Metroid Prime should be in the top 25, though, imo, and there is no way I'd rank FF7 higher than FF4.

But yeah, it's a good list.
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The misguided hate for Sunshine rears its ugly head again. Nice to see Wonder Boy on there, though; I found those games addictive as hell in my younger days.

Doom does not deserve to be on that list. Talk about garbage.
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Very good list.
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Assman

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Skies of Arcadia didn't make the list!?
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Sonic 1 not even in the top 40? Goldeneye only 19th? And where the hell is Perfect Dark??? WTF

Nice to see SMB3 at the top and Sonic CD doing well for once though. Dance

This a different list to say the least
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Thats actually pretty good.

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Hey, a list that doesn't totaly suck.Shocked
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Nin10do

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One of the best list I've personally seen but far from perfect. This list are so hard to put together and satisfy everyone.
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kinopio

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Dawson

The misguided hate for Sunshine rears its ugly head again. Nice to see Wonder Boy on there, though; I found those games addictive as hell in my younger days.

Doom does not deserve to be on that list. Talk about garbage.


Doom was awesome. Definitely deserves a place in the top 100 IMO.


Decent list, but Starfox/wing isn't in it...
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Cammer

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Starfox 64 deserves to be way up there. And they seemed to miss out on lots of classics. Perfect Dark and Skies of Arcadia, of course! But what really makes me angry is that Mystical Ninja and Goemon's Great Adventure weren't even seen on there. Unbelievable. It's a shame they miss out on such great games.
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ALIAS_FAN

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15 Katamari Damacy PS2 217


WTF???
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Intense

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This is one of the first times I somewhat agree with a "Top 100 Games of All Time" list!

I'm thrilled to see SMB 3 at the top, it's my personal favorite of all the super mario bros.
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Tons better than any of the other "top 100" lists. There are a couple games I'd move around/take off the list, but other than that, very good.
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Pojo

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SUPER METROID IS THE BEST GAME OF ALL TIME GRAAAAAGH.

Other than that, it's a good list. Halo should be on there, somewhere, and HL2 needs to shoot up a couple of spots.

Also, too many older games. A bit too much nostalgia.
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AMG

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Overall a very solid list and beats the crap out of every game mag & game site one I've seen so far.
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Coconut

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Wow, I actually really like that listShocked


FF6 FTW!!
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Formless

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Surprisingly the list doesnt suck
It gets the a
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Surprisingly the list doesnt suck
It gets a Thumbs up

Oh ya DEUS EX Dance
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kinopio

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Pojo

ZELDA 3 IS THE BEST GAME OF ALL TIME GRAAAAAGH.

fixed
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OoT should be # 1. Other than that, there's no real problem.
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kinopio

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OoT shouldn't even make the top 10,000.
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OK KINOPIO.



And LttP should be #1 ROFL
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kinopio

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It's a fact, look it up.
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I looked it up. And it is indeed a fact. Lttp = Best game ever. Yes

I'm not crazy about that list.

-edit-

Gotta love how 9 games in the top 10 are 2D though. Smile
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Aidan_702

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If they mean 100 games that were at some point in time, on a relative scale better than other games that came out at other times, then it is a reasonably good list.

I mean I can think of one hundred other games that are now much, much better than doom in every single way, and I'm sure they can too, so why is it like 30?
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Matt_M

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I actually really like this list. JGR, MvC2, the Marios and Zeldas, it's not bad at all. I might joust about the order a bit, but there were no games on there that a strong case could not be made for.
Also, I'm happy to see #74 on the list in anticipation of the DS release.
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1 Super Mario Bros 3 NES 576

100% agree
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Link to the Past isn't that good.
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Xavius

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SMB3 at the top, Ocarina punched down a few notches = great. At least these guys have played some NES games unlike the younger "64 whores" that litter this forum.
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Coconut

Link to the Past isn't that good.




If by not good you mean an awesome game, then yes, you're right. Xavius, I totally feel you on the younger people only playing n64. I remember when the SNES came out, and thinking that the graphics were the most awesome thing ever.

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Bromhidrosis

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LttP 3rd and OoT 8th? THANK GOD. I see an explosion coming from... a certain forum member, though...

SF2 Turbo above the rest is stupid, though. WHAT WERE THESE PEOPLE THINKING? Turbo is only the WORST REVISION OF THE GAME. Do these people not realize the revisions before and after it (Champion Edition and Super) are better games?!
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Assman

Skies of Arcadia didn't make the list!?



Then I'm not the only one.

The more I look at it, the worse it looks. No Majora's Mask even?!? Come on. No

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LastAlliance

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Thank god Halo wasn't on there. ****ing hate that game.
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Shadow85

Then I'm not the only one.

The more I look at it, the worse it looks. No Majora's Mask even?!? Come on. No


I'm also saddened by the absence of Grim Fandango Frown

Other than that that's a nice list of fine games indeed, the ordering of which of course needs to be adjusted a little for everyone

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Upon further inspection, I just realized that games such as Lunar, Bomberman IV, Shinobi, Final Fight, Streets of Rage and a couple other classics didn't make the list, yet games like Doom 2 (which was just a sequel and didn't add anything new to the series), Vice City (should have been scrapped from the list, since most of GTAs are too similar and SA was better gameplay-wise), Robotron (Smash TV and Total Carnage built upon its foundation to make much better games) did. That disappoints me.
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EDIT: I'm stupid.
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You misread my comment perhaps?
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Robjomak

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This is basically the same list we always see, with a significant bias towards the classic. Even the title of the thread says it.

There is no easy way to evaluate this topic in a way where someone isn't going to bitch like a child about it.


Ocarina of Time is still vastly superior to A Link to the Past
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Crunchy

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Where the hell is RE Remake, RE2, and especially RE3?

The list sucks without them No Way
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ALIAS_FAN

WTF???



They had a massive obsession over Katamari Damacy when it was released, honestly everyone just loved it.

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Robjomak


Ocarina of Time is still vastly superior to A Link to the Past



Here's a little blast from your past, Rob:

You still havent said anything to back up the Zelda 3 claim.



Look familiar? It should. You said that to me a long time ago on that AOL message board. Switch Zelda 3 to OoT, put an apostrophe in the word "haven't," and my response to you now would be the exact same. Not that I'm trying to pick a fight or anything. Sneaky

On to more serious matters...

There is no easy way to evaluate this topic in a way where someone isn't going to bitch like a child about it.



Indeed. Still, it does feel good to bitch like a child over garbage like SF2 Turbo and OoT (not that OoT really is garbage, it's just not as good as LttP.) I think that's why people make these topics, so others can feel good after complaining about it. They serve no purpose otherwise except showing a general consensus from another forum.
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Rocksteady

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You guys stop forgetting about Majora's Mask. CHRIST.
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Robjomak

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No one cares, Rocksteady Smile

I'm seriously tempted to put put "Seven Years, Bitch" in my custom title lol

Look familiar? It should. You said that to me a long time ago on that AOL message board. Switch Zelda 3 to OoT, put an apostrophe in the word "haven't," and my response to you now would be the exact same. Not that I'm trying to pick a fight or anything.


So yeah, you're stalking me.

Refer to the OoT vs MM thread Rocksteady so graciously provided for me to annihilate the naysayers (I'm sure that wasn't his intention though Wink )

It's nothing like the old ten pagers, but it's a sizable rant on why OoT is the best game ever.

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Bromhidrosis

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Stalking? No. Damn good memory? Yes. Remember, I DID back up my statement after you pestered me enough. I'd hate to forget one of my crowning achievements on that board (surviving that debate.)

Refer to the OoT vs MM thread Rocksteady so graciously provided for me to annihilate the naysayers (I'm sure that wasn't his intention though)



You annihilated the competition because of your long-windedness. That argument was not without flaws. I think I'll tackle it later.
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Thoraxe the Impaler

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You need to put FFVII and Zelda OoT higher on the list than what they are(FFVII should be in at least the top 30 or 20 and OoT should be in the top 5 or #1, being the best game ever!)
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Thoraxe the Impaler

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They needed to put FFVII and Zelda OoT higher on the list than what they are(FFVII should be in at least the top 10 or 5 and OoT should be in the top 5 or #1, being the best game ever!).
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I'll never understand why everyone looks Ocarina of Time so much. While I've flip-flopped on this, I even thought Metal Gear Solid was the better game at the time. And especially compared to Link to the Past! LttP just exudes a sort of polish that's missing in a polygon-ridden mess like OoT. LttP has better music and, strangely, a more coherent plot. I thought it was a cop-out that LttP was a "prequel" to the original Zeldas and I felt it was even more of a cop-out when OoT became a "prequel" to LttP. Sure, Nintendo storyline's are always a bit lame, but I guess in my old age I remember them being much more interesting back in the early 90's...

I think this is a pretty awesome list, though. Hell, it has Snatcher on it! I was also happy to see that Wonder Boy got on there, too. I tried playing Monster World IV once...weird game.

My biggest beef is putting Castlevania: Symphony of the Night at #9. C'mon, it's a Super Metroid clone! Sure, it's got beautiful production values and it's one of those hard-core under-the-radar games, but it's not one of the 10 best games of all time. I think you can maybe make a case for the others they put in the top ten...

And I'm just curious as to what's so wrong with Street Fighter 2 Turbo? I always thought Champion had absurd balancing issues and Super...eh...Cammy was cool.
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Rocksteady

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I think Ocarina of Time's greatness is divided into categories, for some people like me, it was the first Zelda game I ever played, a lot of people my age (or slightly younger) were that way. On the other hand you have the older games (21+) who were with the Zelda series from the start and the first time they were floored was with A Link to the Past, so Ocarina of Time, while still great, didn't seem all that revolutionary.

Personally I think it's all nostalgia related, and people are too stuborn to admit to that.

Now if you people would just realize the amazingness of Majora's Mask we wouldn't have these issues.
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Coconut

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I played and beat LoZ and LttP before I played OoT and I still think OoT is better... than LttP at leastSmile
 
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