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NerdThursday, July 29th 2004.

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Manhunt taken off shelves in UK...linked to murder

Britain's biggest electronics chain, Dixons, pulled violent video game Manhunt from its shops yesterday after parents of a teenage murder victim blamed the game for their son's death.

The game, in which the player takes on the role of a convicted murderer ordered by a demented film director to kill people in as gruesome a fashion as possible, has stirred controversy even among fans of violent videos.

It awards extra points to players for carrying out murders in a particularly extreme and bloody way, while victims plead to be spared on behalf of their wives and children.

The parents of Stefan Pakeerah, 14, called this week for Manhunt to be banned after a 17-year-old admitted inviting their son into a park and murdering him.

Warren Le Blanc, a fan of the game, admitted he beat the younger teen to death with a claw hammer and stabbed him repeatedly with a knife. He could face life in prison.

"I didn't intend to kill him at first, but when I saw the blood I just let go and hit more times," he told police.
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Stefan's father Patrick, 41, said: "Stefan's murder compares to how the game is set out, using weapons like hammers and knives. If games like this influence kids, they should be taken off the shelves."

The game is published by Rockstar Games, a division of New York's Take-Two Interactive Software known for its line-up of violent games including the hugely popular Grand Theft Auto series, in which players run wild in high-speed crime sprees.

No comment from the company was available.

A spokeswoman for Dixons said it was taking the game off the shelves of all 1000 stores in the group with immediate effect due to the uproar.

The game has an "18" rating from Britain's film board, which means it should not be sold to minors.

In a generally favourable review on the website totalvideogames.com, the reviewer wrote: "it has to be the most violent yet realistic videogame we've played" and described its "ability to unhinge the player and make you feel disturbed".

Another website, Game Zone Online, gave it an 8 out of 10 score for "solid gameplay" but wrote: "Kids under 17 should not be allowed anywhere around this game, and it contains some of the most disgusting killings that I have seen either in movies or in a game."

From http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/29/1091080384648.html?oneclick=true

This is all over the UK papers today...I picked up the Mirror a few minutes ago and it's plastered on the front page. I know the mother must be heart broken and all, but her son should not have been playing a game for 18 year olds, nor should the other boy have been. Dixons is huge so I can see some other retailers following suit and taking the game off shelves.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if this game now actually made decent sales. It didn't do too well over here in the UK.

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sonicblue

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Why don't they take some initiative and ban violence instead of videogames? You gotta nip these things in the butt.
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CJ Thunder

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No, they should ban the books that say ****** because this is where the volience cmes from. Books.

I learned to shoot, read, fight...date? HAHA this game is fine, people are ****ing morons.
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Calcifer

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this is ****e. i hate when people blame media for violence. parents should be more interested in their children's affairs. a normal person would not kill someone just because they saw it in a movie or a game.
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all I can say is I'm glad I dont live in the UK. I can stay here and play my manhunt.
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I still need to check out this game...I want to see if it is THAT bad.
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"I didn't intend to kill him at first, but when I saw the blood I just let go and hit more times," he told police.

I Would shoot him dead on the spot.Give Up
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Actaully thats what a lot of people do, they get trigger happy, cought up in the mood, but the fact that he can't control himself after the 'defense' is a problem.
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Good. I think Manhunt sucks ass anyway. Wow, it's gorey..that's all this game has going for it, and that's pretty tired. I'm not glad the kid died, but that game is ****ed up just for the sake of being ****ed up as it's main selling point and that is just disgusting in of itself.
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Wait, did he ever even play Manhunt, because it looks like the father just blamed it because people die from knives and hammers.
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It was a minor who comitted the murder. He should not have been playing it, thus, the only ones responsible are the ones who let the game into his hands, if he had played it that is. That's making the ridiculous assumption that he was actually influenced by the game, of course.
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The kid was obviously mentally sick to begin with. a normal person doesnt go kills someone because they see it in a video game.

you might as well exterminate people with a mental handicap then Crap
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Originally posted by sonicblue
Why don't they take some initiative and ban violence instead of videogames? You gotta nip these things in the butt.



It's "nip it in the bud."
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Oh come on! The murderer was 17 do you really think if he had one more year on his life it would have made a difference? That is the stupidest thing I've heard. "He was too young he shouldn't have played it." Oh coming from all of you I am sure have played Grand Theft Auto. And who knows maybe he turned 18 in 3 months, do you think it would have mattered then? Of course the game influenced him, the game makes killing fun.
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Originally posted by octorok and roll
It's "nip it in the bud."

Fantastic. Now what am I suppose to do with all of these nipped butts?

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Originally posted by MetroidHunter
Oh come on! The murderer was 17 do you really think if he had one more year on his life it would have made a difference? That is the stupidest thing I've heard. "He was too young he shouldn't have played it." Oh coming from all of you I am sure have played Grand Theft Auto. And who knows maybe he turned 18 in 3 months, do you think it would have mattered then? Of course the game influenced him, the game makes killing fun.



There is no evidence that the 17 year old even played the game.
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Warren Le Blanc, a fan of the game, admitted he beat the younger teen to death with a claw hammer and stabbed him repeatedly with a knife. He could face life in prison.

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Originally posted by MetroidHunter
Oh come on! The murderer was 17 do you really think if he had one more year on his life it would have made a difference? That is the stupidest thing I've heard. "He was too young he shouldn't have played it." Oh coming from all of you I am sure have played Grand Theft Auto. And who knows maybe he turned 18 in 3 months, do you think it would have mattered then? Of course the game influenced him, the game makes killing fun.



Yes, it makes a huge difference. A legal difference, and legal is what we're talking about here. Someone who is a day short of 18 and an 18 year-old are practically years apart in terms of legal responsibility.
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Originally posted by MetroidHunter
Oh come on! The murderer was 17 do you really think if he had one more year on his life it would have made a difference? That is the stupidest thing I've heard. "He was too young he shouldn't have played it." Oh coming from all of you I am sure have played Grand Theft Auto. And who knows maybe he turned 18 in 3 months, do you think it would have mattered then? Of course the game influenced him, the game makes killing fun.



no one knows if the game influenced him. the only way someone would be able to know is if they would have seen him in the same situation if he had not played manhunt. so no one know i fit influenced him or not, you can't just make assumptions like that.
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Oh I'm sure seeing all the things in the game and playing it didn't influence him at all.
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if the game really did influence violence, then we'd have tons more murders like this one.
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exactly this guy was oviously unstable if this game infulenced his actions(expecially when he said the thing about seeing the blood and making him wanna kill), I mean my buddy was 14 when he got this game(birthday in december) and he is a fan of violent stuff, but has not committed a murder to date(or ever), he loved manhunt playe dit liek 24/7 till he beat it(still does play it), and sure he may say stuff, cuz he's a bit immature, but HIS PARENTS, tought him the difference between right and wrong and fantasy and reality.
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More likely he was influenced by the evening news. Now there's a violent bunch of shows.
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The problem isn't in the game, it's in the parents. If they don't care enough to remind their kids that the games are just games, then no one should be surprised when someone kills a kid "because of a game."

Remember, violent video games don't kill people, uncaring parents do.
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Shut up. Would you want your parents bugging you all the time about playing violent videogames or trying to have talks with you about the difference between simulated and real violence? No.

My parents don't worry about that stuff, and I'd never dream of killing someone. Nobody should be suprised when someone kills someone else because of a game (regardless of whether or not the parents talked to the kid about it)? Think.

How many messed up kids have you seen on TV (*cough talk shows cough*), the "Evening News", or known yourself that are messed up even though their parents are genuinly worried about them constantly? That's pretty much all Springer is now. Find someone else to blame.
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