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DayLahsWill Never Be Another
Posts: 46,290 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Miami, Florida |
Worst Nintendo move of all time? well?Lets take a look at some of their mistakes........... Purple man purse AKA Gamecube-no online support, Virtual Boy N64-Cartridges, rediculous game prices at first, lost the Final Fantasy franchise Funny slang aside, the problem destroying Nintendo in the west is their horrible kiddie image. Is it unfair? Yes. But's it's real. And it's killing them. Naming it Wii re-enforces every unfair stereotype about the company. It's not gonna change my enjoyment of the system one bit, but to say Nintendo of Japan didn't screw over their western counterparts is naive. Riding a wave of hype and expectation, only to come to a screeching halt with the worst name I've ever heard for a console, besides nGage we count it. Sure, it doesn't affect the games or any of us who are already going to buy it, but some of us do like to see a company we spend a lot of money on succeed and this is a horrible move. The problem is that you have to question what type of marketing people came up with this, and what they'll fail on in the future. Their 'mission statement' is a passage of colossal retardation, especially given that this seemed to be the generation where they came out fighting and trying to be taken seriously. Nobody will take the name seriously, ever. That's a big problem even if people don't want to admit it. To casuals, image means a lot, and to Nintendo, casuals will mean a lot. |
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sonicblueThundercougarfalconbird
Posts: 20,230 Join Date: May 2002 Location: South Florida |
Cartridges on the N64. That mistake more than anything else that Nintendo has done is the reason why things are the way they are today. I don't feel Wii is anywhere near as bad as people say it's going to be for Nintendo's future. |
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IrisHighly, I say
Posts: 5,103 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ireland |
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DarkdolphinN-Phile
Posts: 3,618 Join Date: May 2002 Location: PA |
Worst move is still using carts. I don't see Wii hurting the system that much, if at all. Its not a great name, but its going to be fine after a few months of hearing it, probably. I don't think it enforces a kiddy image, but rather an inclusive one, since their goal is getting everyone to play the console. I'd still say the "kiddiest" name is PlayStation. Just think about that....Play....Station. Sounds like it should be something put out by Fisher Price for kids, but no one even reads the name like that anymore. |
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Crunchyto jue
Posts: 7,246 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: the "Employee of the Month" parking spot |
Releasing the Gamecube so ignorantly. I could make a huge ass list of things wrong with the launch. |
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zelda_freakCan you read my mind?
Posts: 2,581 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Yay area, California |
It seems that using carts put nintendo a generation back. For example, when they first did cds with the GCN, they didn't have DVD support, while PS2 and Xbox did. Now with the Wii, they finally do (at least I believe they do). Plus, if they had used CDs as a format with the 64, they probably wouldn't have scared so many 3rd party developers off. |
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Blueblur1Lakitu
Posts: 1,748 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Miami, FL |
I'm hopping on the cartridge mistake bandwagon as well. Wii isn't so bad. Its a little odd, but when actual people see the console and the name, it'll evoke an iPod like theme which everyone in the US is familiar with. For all we know, it could turn out to be a big success (the name). I mean, right now it does have everyone talking about it. |
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kinopioPunk's Not Dead
Posts: 14,644 Join Date: Nov 2002 |
'Pussiying up' to their so called fans by announcing Twilight Princess. The closest they've ever been to the famed 'beginning of the end'. The cartridge issue was overblown way out of proportions. It was just some third parties' attempt at justifying their backstabbing of Nintendo. The carts themselves were fine and perfectly capable. ___________________ Now playing No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle Endless Ocean 2: Adventures of the Deep |
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AdamChrisHChuckya
Posts: 778 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Sussex / London, England |
Oh... My... God... I'm agreeing with DayLahs. First for everything! *cuddles* |
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djsilvertigerSo Very Clever
Posts: 2,318 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Southern California |
Yesterday I was totally on both sides of this. At first I just did not like the name period. I saw the video and thought maybe that could change my opinion. Then later at work I was just angry at Nintendo, they were only considering Japan. This morning I feel like I will like the name from now on. The piss jokes are old to me now and I'm more accustomed to seeing it as "We." I had thought the name was bad but for different reasons than XBox 360. I was expecting a video game console name. I can't logically think Wii is stupid because I use the word "We" all the time. XBox 360 is the nasty result of trendy ideas being thrown at each other. I'm not here to knock the 360 right now, just showing how these two names don't really compare. God Blessa! ___________________ PSN: IsntChrisL XBL: IsntChrisL |
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AdamChrisHChuckya
Posts: 778 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Sussex / London, England |
I just think when spoken it's a far too general name to catch on to anything, it'll cause more confusion than anything. I mean, at schools, if a kid comes up to his friends, asked them what they did at the weekend and they replied "We played on our Wii's" you're going to get the most confused reaction ever. I just hope it's not too long to tack Nintendo onto the official name and called it the 'Nintendo Wii', as that slightly more workable. Otherwise, I just see lots of people taking the piss while others are puzzled. |
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AssmanCTU agent
Posts: 8,945 Join Date: Jun 2004 |
I thought Nintendo wasn't competing with MS and Sony, and why would it matter? But then again, they do have to make money. ___________________ The secular progressive movement(liberals)are ruining this country. ![]()
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Bionic CommandoTom Cruisin'
Posts: 4,380 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Irlanda Del Norte |
On paper, the name isn't so bad. It's saying it aloud I can't handle. I don't think i'll ever call it by the name Wii in real life unless i'm joking. I couldn't seriously approach a Retail Employee and ask for a Wii. I'd say launching the Gamecube was one of their biggest mistakes. It was purple, it was launched with a Luigi title rather than Mario, it couldn't play DVD's and it had virtually no online support. It really was half-assed. I used to be a complete diehard fanboy but when I saw the console I genuinely felt betrayed. They promised so much and delivered so little. At that time I jumped ships, bought a PS2, stopped buying NOM and didn't even buy a GC at launch and I never looked back. I waited for 6 months or more till I gave it a chance. |
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SpawnLurking around...
Posts: 4,232 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Netherlands |
Cartridges for N64. The name is still fine with me. I've read through dozens of pages of forum and blog reactions today here, at IGN, at several other online publications. And the more I read the name (even if it's in one of the stupid threads with the pee-jokes in them) the more I get accustomed to it. I love the little flash-video, I love the logo itself, but in the end I must agree that it feels a little bit weird saying it out loud. I'm not instantly making connections with urine all the time, that's not the problem, but the word just doesn't smoothly roll of the tongue. What a wonderfully redundant thread this seems to be though, here we are again discussing why Wii is or isn't good for each of us, with just the slight addition that we give our opinion on if it's the 'worst mistake by Nintendo ever'. |
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IrisHighly, I say
Posts: 5,103 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ireland |
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acornkid...having a nap.
Posts: 3,149 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Dublin |
*shrugs* As far as I'm concerned they could have called the thing "BUYAPS3INSTEAD" and I still wouldn't have cared. It comes down to this: It's the most intruiging console in years. And unlike previous gimmicks, this is a full-fledged console. So it's probably gonna work. Why are people so upsessed with trivial stuff? |
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bleeper2.0Livid
Posts: 6,522 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London |
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unkwonMiss Round and Plump!
Posts: 5,145 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas |
If it's one thing I'm getting tired of is the constant ONLINE thing with the GCN, it hurted it but it was MORE than that it was the smaller diskpace, lack of main system ram, lack of third parties compared to the PS2 and Xbox, the expenses of third party development, Hell it was mainly the lack of powerfull singleplayer games that "killed" it not the online support. ___________________ Now if only I could change to Mr Fat instead of Miss round and plump. |
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KuribooSuper
Posts: 12,190 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: A Galaxy far far away.... |
The GC era was to me where they made there most mistakes. Purple box, disc size, lack of third partys continue.... But Wii is not a bad name, you have to start some where with a name. I mean look at Google, and my last name for that. It all had to be made up. Just because the name is dfferent, new, unique, does not make it a failure, or a mistake. Just because they didn't name it the GameSquare or some crap like that they deserve so many props. Of course as you can see I think the name is awesome. ___________________ Mario's Bitch |
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DolphinThanks for all the fish.
Posts: 2,428 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Michigan |
The worst move wasn't cartridges; N64 was a fine system without CD, the format is overrated. The worst move was Nintendo dumping the Sony developed SNES CD drive in favor of a Phillips one. That move coupled with the shoddy N64 launch lineup singlehandedly made way for the Playstation juggernaut. Nintendo hasn't recovered since. Also, it's premature to suggest that Wii is a bad move. The system hasn't even hit the market, yet every fanboy on the net seems confident in their capabilities as a market analyst. |
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LinKami DeschainRIP Yoshito Usui :-(
Posts: 6,120 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: anywhere the greenville scene is not |
to me its just another name. I couldn't really care what they call it, my purchasing stance on it is going to be the same as yesterday, today, and tomorrow. ___________________ ![]() Wii Code:0141-2992-0310-4549 Brawl Code:0602-5951-1825 |
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IrisHighly, I say
Posts: 5,103 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ireland |
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flea_masterOstro
Posts: 579 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Dakota |
"Good artists copy, great artists steal." -Picasso sega - Nintendo > sony xerox - Apple > microsoft Does anyone understand this?
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Ragnar DanneskjöldFriend of the Friendless
Posts: 18,111 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Houston |
I dont like it....yet.. =/ ___________________ I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. -Thomas Jefferson, |
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JoesterNeedle Mouse
Posts: 14,987 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO |
The name Wii should not be clumped together with the choice or purple or the choic of not using carts. You have to give this name till the end of summer and then come back to it. If people are still complaining about it, then it might have been a bad choice. Right now people were so used to the name Revolution that when they were given the name Wii their expectations were blown. |
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PaperSamusYo Momma's On My Lips
Posts: 3,393 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: FL |
lol. I told two of my friends today on the bus about the name and they were like "huh, wii?" And the first thing they did was crack a joke about it being piss... Great! lol. Meh, it'll take a while to get used to it. I actually would prefer if the pronunciation, was "why". That's just me though. Of course, that wouldn't work with their little pun marketing campaign sh!t that I see though. ___________________ FIE DOLLA PEE-SAH! |
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IrisHighly, I say
Posts: 5,103 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ireland |
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unkwonMiss Round and Plump!
Posts: 5,145 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas |
Well if Saved By the Bell worked for adult swim than so should this wii name. ___________________ Now if only I could change to Mr Fat instead of Miss round and plump. |
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kinopioPunk's Not Dead
Posts: 14,644 Join Date: Nov 2002 |
Sorry Daylahs, but I may as well move this to General Gaming as I don't want it to become yet another topic to complain about the name. ___________________ Now playing No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle Endless Ocean 2: Adventures of the Deep |
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Red SpecialBoo
Posts: 912 Join Date: Mar 2006 |
...Well, you got to admit, it is a pretty weird name. Still, it was the controllers that did them in years ago. |
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Robjomakstill going strong
Posts: 8,019 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Philadelphia |
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Pojois it?
Posts: 22,220 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Louisiana |
I like how everyone blames the "fall" of Nintendo on the controller and the carts and the purple Barney purse, yet they don't mention the fact that Nintendo's consumers have grown up (well, depending on how you define maturity) and have started to play games that don't embarrass them in front of their friends. As stupid as it sounds, this is the truth. No casual gamer wants to play Pokemon in front of his friends. I'm not saying it's right, but it's a fact. Why would anyone care about the perfectly functional controller or the purple color when they could get the system for $200? It's nothing superficial, it's all about the games. Close the thread. ___________________ Kung Fu treachery. |
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CoconutCan has custom title?
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Not sticking with Sony lolz |
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Bi0hazardLakitu Posts: 1,871 Join Date: Dec 2005 |
Changing Zelda |
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rubaiyatMagikoopa Posts: 838 Join Date: Apr 2005 |
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ChronoSomebody To Love
Posts: 6,104 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Got no feelin, Got no Rhythm, |
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CoconutCan has custom title?
Posts: 15,975 Join Date: May 2002 |
Altough? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Call me stupid... |
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AMGOld School
Posts: 2,188 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NY |
1) Sticking it to Sony. 3) Treating 3rd parties like crap while they were on top. 2) Staying with carts to battle Sony. |
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Brian10488Change is a sound
Posts: 10,877 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Chicago |
Wii 'nuff said ___________________ ![]() Let's bury the hatchet. We smoke um peace pipe! -Jerry Seinfeld |
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1dayS++
Posts: 2,987 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: St. Louis, MO |
It's still too premature for it to be Wlii, at least wait until after E3 and see how everything comes together then. ___________________ in transit |
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BEanMicrosoft certified
Posts: 10,871 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: On a rooftop with a bullhorn. |
Selling rare design of gamecube controller (I don't mind but it turned away alot of developers "Robot vomiting on a boomerang) tiny gcn discs (production costs) no online support for cube ___________________ The sounds of DKL screaming and yelling in agony is magical and relaxing.
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ShardMissing Quality HBO Shows
Posts: 2,747 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hollywood, SC |
I'd go with the GC simply for it's combo of things(listed above Never going to get used to Wii as a console name. |
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AdamChrisHChuckya
Posts: 778 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Sussex / London, England |
I don't really see why this was moved. It's more than obvious it was about the name 'Wii', merely illustrated with examples of past. |
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Game GuruGolden f*cking Sun!
Posts: 6,471 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: L.A., Tuskegee, AL or Albany, GA depending on time of year. |
Well...might as well post this here... Wii will work, I still hate the name, but from a business perspective, this is a stroke of pure gold. But why will it work? Think about is, all those names, Nintendo, Playstation, and Xbox, are directly related in people's mind with something that's serious, and only serious. Something that costs over one hundred bucks. Something that's not for women. Something that's for guys between the ages of 10-25. In fact, the word "video game", means all of the above as well. It's time for our industry to grow up. Wii is to gaming as puberty is to homo-sapiens. When Nintendo said that they're key objective was to reach the women demographic, and the 25+ demographic. They weren't planning to go searching for their business with a price tag in the stratosphere, games over $50, and a plethora of mature games. Having a name like Xbox 360, or Plastation 3, or Nintendo, limits you like shackles limit criminals. With women, these names mean 'video games', "something I can't do". With guys over 25, these names mean 'video games', "you know, that stuff that started with that NES thing". To the public at large, these names mean 'video games', "some thing that's much more expensive than those cheap internet games that play great on my PC". That is why the Revolution isn't called Nintendo Five, or Revolution, or NESR, or N5. It's why it's called Wii. Wii doesn't mean much of anything. It's undefined. It's the second Genesis of our industry. It's when you get back together with your x, and say, "let's start over". It's a clean slate. And while yes, Wii doesn't mean much of anything, the word itself gives a sense of community to something that has yet to be defined. Wii, in fact, isn't about any one thing at all. It is a combination of several different concepts. Before the unveiling of the name for the Revolution, most gamers thought that Nintendo was simply going to change the control scheme again. Much like they changed it with the control stick. We have failed to realize the depth of the change that Nintendo envisioned with the system. Until now, what we have failed to realize, is that this is the true successor to the NES. By true successor, I mean, a system that will duplicate what the NES did in the mid 1980's with the industry. The NES took the old model of the industry, and virtually threw it out the window. That's what Nintendo's doing again with Wii. In essence, Nintendo is looking to create the same amount of pandemonium that the DS has created in Japan, with Wii, in the United States and Europe. Any name tied to video games cannot do that, it has to be something completely new, like the name Nintendo was during 1984. That is the concept behind Wii. ___________________ Investors Business Daily on Obama "death panel":
"People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn't have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless." Needless to say, Hawking, who is recognized as one of the great theoretical physicists of the 20th and 21st century, was born in the UK and has lived his entire life there. |
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RocksteadySteady Rockin' All Night
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While I admit the N64's carts caused Nintendo to lose their market share, I can't complain considering the amazing games we got out of it. I'd go with Nintendo's image with the GameCube, they read the market the wrong way. |
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Man-O-WarPorcupo
Posts: 371 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada |
Nintendo's worst system was the N64 really. I don't care if it had OoT or mario...oh wait that's pretty much all it had side for a couple gems of personal taste. Any system you can count the number of game worth owning on one hand can't be all that great, at least when comparing to other systems. I can't think of ANY system released by any manufacturer that didn't have it's share of problems. Video games have been around for awhile sure but I think the industry is still trying to figure itself out in the grand scheme of things. It's alway's changing and evolving, a good thing in my view. |
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Offbeatlion in a coma
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In my opinion? Making me wait two years since the intial announcement of Animal Crossing: Wild World, and then releasing the game when it was so damn lackluster (IE: Not enough upgrades on the orginal formula). Ive never been more dissapointed by a Nintendo purchase, especially when I was so hyped for this one. |
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RocksteadySteady Rockin' All Night
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CuBiRebel Scum
Posts: 2,817 Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The island of lesbians, olive oil and fossil forests. |
I still believe Nintendo's worst mistake was bailing out of the agreement with Sony for the SNES CD Drive, which resulted in the creation of the PlayStation. Who knows what the video game scene would be today if this hadn't happened. |
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kinopioPunk's Not Dead
Posts: 14,644 Join Date: Nov 2002 |
I don't know, we have to take into account that Nintendo ditched Sony for a (not perfectly clear) reason. And they were ultimately right that the 16bit generation couldn't benefit from the CD-ROM media. ___________________ Now playing No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle Endless Ocean 2: Adventures of the Deep |
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