Nerd Mentality

BuzzJive

Nintendo really just appears to be waiting out the initial PSP sales and not really doing much to respond. I would have hit them with some software and service announcements, but maybe they don't need that just yet.

Can Nintendo be waiting for E3?

OMGZ!!!11! MEGATONN!

SilvaHalo

LOL.....thats just funny, golly gee the combined sales of 3 handhelds beat out one handheld.

Leave him alone, he's trying to boost N-Fan morale. Somebody has to do it, and God knows it isn't either of us.

SilvaHalo

Spinmeisters Unite!!

RE4 wouldnt push many sales in Japan anyways so you need to stop blaming Capcom for their decision to announce the port so early, allthough RE0 did sell more in its first week then RE4 has to date.....anywho, with the emphasis on shooting and what not Capcom made the game more focused on the western gamer as opposed to japanese gamer.

And yet, the PS2 port is in the top 5 in Famitsu Most Wanted. Go figure.

SilvaHalo

* NDS + GBASP + GBA > PSP. It wasn't like that last week

LOL.....thats just funny, golly gee the combined sales of 3 handhelds beat out one handheld.

If you don't think it's good for Nintendo to continue to have a bigger handheld marketshare than the "superior" PSP hardware, you sir, are a baboon. (and it's really only 2, but I was lumping it all in with "Nintendo Handhelds")

And like SB said, I'm just an optimist and all I'm doing is pointing out the facts. You can ignore them if you don't like them.

How's the Xbox doing in Japan BTW

BuzzJive

If you don't think it's good for Nintendo to continue to have a bigger handheld marketshare than the "superior" PSP hardware, you sir, are a baboon. (and it's really only 2, but I was lumping it all in with "Nintendo Handhelds")

And like SB said, I'm just an optimist and all I'm doing is pointing out the facts. You can ignore them if you don't like them.

How's the Xbox doing in Japan BTW

you stated that Nintendo maybe doing the wait and see approach with the PSP.....can they afford to do that? No. Now that I have purchaced and absolutely fallen in love with the DS I find myself completely irratated with Nintendo, the system is seriously swank but I go to the store and I see what.....8 games for it? bleh. The PSP is gaining momentum in Japan, the positive hype is growing here, do something dammit!

anywho.....

The Xbox continues suckin along completely ignorant of what the japanese want, I am well aware of that so no points for you tryin rile up my fanboy lunacy

?huh?

DS isnt doing bad really, It just needs more new Software

no it isnt at all but Icant help but think Nintendo needs to really be pushing itright now, that and I want Wario NOW

taku

And yet, the PS2 port is in the top 5 in Famitsu Most Wanted. Go figure.

it was also in the GC's. Go figure.

SilvaHalo

it was also in the GC's. Go figure.

Thus dividing the GCN version's potential sales in half.

burning_phoneix

Can Nintendo be waiting for E3?

OMGZ!!!11! MEGATONN!

makes a lot of sense

BuzzJive

I had a response all written up but my browser crashed and I don't want to retype it. Here's the gist:

Nintendo is NOT getting steamrolled right now. They can afford to wait until they are ready (up to a year even at this rate) before announcing more stuff, and apparently that's what they are going to do.

I'm personally okay with the DS software right now since I still have about 70 stars to get in Mario and Wario is coming next week. I am anxious to see the full potential of the DS, but I'm just a bit more patient it seems.

Mario 64 DS took me 2 weeks to get 150 stars. Why? Because I'd already beaten most of it before on the N64. I need a lengthy RPG, not Wario Ware, which, while fun, will not last me more than a couple weeks before I get tired of it. Then I'll probably only pick it up once in a while.

Luckily I'm getting Fire Emblem too so my DS won't be completely ignored...

BuzzJive

I had a response all written up but my browser crashed and I don't want to retype it. Here's the gist:

Nintendo is NOT getting steamrolled right now. They can afford to wait until they are ready (up to a year even at this rate) before announcing more stuff, and apparently that's what they are going to do.

I'm personally okay with the DS software right now since I still have about 70 stars to get in Mario and Wario is coming next week. I am anxious to see the full potential of the DS, but I'm just a bit more patient it seems.

they can afford to wait? how is that? The company who had an iron grip on the home console side of things waited untill it was too late for them last gen and then they just let it happen all over again this gen. They keep it up and Sony is going to put the hurt on them but that ok cause like you they are patient, they are just waiting for the right moment to strike.......

Vert1

Nintendo can wait all they want with their handheld. It kicked butt in 2004 and still is doing pretty well. March is where the real battle is at. Although Wario Ware Touched the 14th of this month is gonna be a hot commodity.

Nintendo is not in any trouble with DS. With PS1 Nintendo let their market slip away to Sony. Nintendo isn't sitting down and twiddling their fingers with DS now. DS is having better software sales and more third party support. If software sales don't pick up you can expect developers to abandon PSP as it would appear to be a music/movie player and not making an adequete money for game developers.

dont reply to anything I post anymore, I am not in the mood to decipher your fanboy drivel




the handheld market is all they have left and they are going to lose it

and stop linking to stupid shit

SilvaHalo

the handheld market is all they have left and they are going to lose it

Fanboy drivel is what appears above. I made good,logical points. To simply dismiss them as nonsense with no explanation is petty.

Vert1

Fanboy drivel is what appears above. I made good,logical points. To simply dismiss them as nonsense with no explanation is petty.

you dont make good points, it's all clouded in Nintendo mishmash

SilvaHalo

they can afford to wait? how is that? The company who had an iron grip on the home console side of things waited untill it was too late for them last gen and then they just let it happen all over again this gen. They keep it up and Sony is going to put the hurt on them but that ok cause like you they are patient, they are just waiting for the right moment to strike.......

Well yes - they've screwed up twice now on the home console front. Maybe I shouldn't have much faith in them, but for some reason I think they are paying attention to what's going on in the portable market right now. I just think they are waiting for the initial PSP hype to die off before trying to sway the market. They still have a solid year for the DS to stay ahead of the PSP at this rate. It's not as dire as Nintendo haters make it seem to be.

Vert1

Nintendo can wait all they want with their handheld. It kicked butt in 2004 and still is doing pretty well.

And yet psp has outsold it for the last three weeks in Japan. I'm not going to say anymore then that because we've already had this discussion awhile ago and you can't seem to get my point. But at the moment, psp is selling more than the DS, so it's losing momentum already.

Vert1

March is where the real battle is at. Although Wario Ware Touched the 14th of this month is gonna be a hot commodity.

Wario Ware is not a system seller I'm afraid to tell you. You won't here someone saying, Holy **** I've got to buy a DS!!!111 Wario Ware Touched is coming out!!!111. Yes, it's a good game, but the only people who buy it are Nintendo fans anyways. Wario Ware is not enough to beat the psp. Take a look at Japan for proof.

Vert1

Nintendo is not in any trouble with DS. With PS1 Nintendo let their market slip away to Sony who was paying off developers(like Square). Nintendo isn't sitting down and twiddling their fingers with DS now.

Really? How many games have they released since the DS game out? (THREE MONTHS AGO!) That's right, one. And not only that, it was a port of Mario 64. A great game, yes, but old nonetheless. They havn't made any annoncements to give me the impression that my DS was a worthwhile purchase.

Vert1

DS is having better software sales, has more third party support and outselling PSP by 1 million in Japan alone. If software sales don't pick up you can expect developers to abandon PSP as it would appear to be a music/movie player and not making an adequete amount of money for game developers.

Developpers will abandon the DS long before they abandon the psp. Games are selling well on the DS, but have you seen which ones? Nintendo games. That's it. Those are the only ones on the chart. Third party games just don't sell on Nintendo platforms like they do on playstation, and third parties know that. They also know that sales will pick up once more people have the system. Because like you said, the DS has outsold the psp by 1 million in Japan. Too bad that number is shrinking and not growing like it should be.
Summary: Nintendo better get off their ass and do something soon or the handheld market will slip out of their hands just as quickly as the console one did.




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Vert1

You need not worry about Nintendo in the handheld market. They faced Sega's(who was in their prime beating SNES) GameGear and beat them down. They faced handhelds boasting things from great graphics to being able to play console games. Nintendo won those to. Nintendo even faced the GameBoy creator,Gunpei Yokoi who created the WonderSwan. Nintendo's GameBoy beat that system to in Japan even though that system had FF exclusive to it. Nintendo has faced serious competitors and won all the time. I see Sony's PSP as being no different to GB's failed competitors.

Only Sony needs to be worrying right now.

Nintendo has knocked off just as many console competitors as they have handheld competitors. Both of these things happened in the past. Today, things are different. Plus, in each of these occasions Nintendo had a kick ass game to win with: Tetris, Pokemon, etc, etc. What do they have now? Mario 64 . Old news as far as I'm concerned. Nintendo can win, they just need to try harder. They've already pissed away their 5 month advantage on the psp in America, and again, they better start releasing high profile games (I'm sorry but WarioWare is not one of those games) or else they're screwed.

nenned

Japanese gamers suck. The fact that Remake and RE0 will probably outsell RE4 is proof of this. I mean the GC has over 4 million owners in Japan. Why isn't anyone buying this? Don't they buy anything??

I didn't see that coming. Though I must agree. Why hasn't anyone picked up RE4?

nenned

Japanese gamers suck. The fact that Remake and RE0 will probably outsell RE4 is proof of this. I mean the GC has over 4 million owners in Japan. Why isn't anyone buying this? Don't they buy anything??

It's funny. Americans are usually into buying games for blood and violence and fast paced action, where as the Japanese will not buy these games, no matter what. We tend to not like Americans because they miss out on weird quirky games, but in essence we see the Jappanese in exactly the opposite where they only like weird quirky games.
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King of Hyrule

Mikami is going to shoot someone.

Yeah, everyone that's in line to pick up Kingdom Hearts II later this year.

meloche19

Wario Ware is not a system seller I'm afraid to tell you. You won't here someone saying, Holy **** I've got to buy a DS!!!111 Wario Ware Touched is coming out!!!111. Yes, it's a good game, but the only people who buy it are Nintendo fans anyways. Wario Ware is not enough to beat the psp. Take a look at Japan for proof.

You mean - where Wario Ware has sold almost as many copies as Sony has sold PSP's?

meloche19

And yet psp has outsold it for the last three weeks in Japan. I'm not going to say anymore then that because we've already had this discussion awhile ago and you can't seem to get my point. But at the moment, psp is selling more than the DS, so it's losing momentum already.

Yes DS lost momentum as will PSP. PSP craze will die down.

Wario Ware is not a system seller I'm afraid to tell you. You won't here someone saying, Holy **** I've got to buy a DS!!!111 Wario Ware Touched is coming out!!!111. Yes, it's a good game, but the only people who buy it are Nintendo fans anyways. Wario Ware is not enough to beat the psp. Take a look at Japan for proof.

I consider Wario Ware a killer app for DS. If you disagree I suggest you look at the sales for it in Japan. It's outsold every PSP game this week.

Really? How many games have they released since the DS game out? (THREE MONTHS AGO!) That's right, one. And not only that, it was a port of Mario 64. A great game, yes, but old nonetheless. They havn't made any annoncements to give me the impression that my DS was a worthwhile purchase.

With N64 Nintendo focused on themselves and basically ignored third parties expecting them to come to their system. Well Sony payed off these third parties(most notably Square) and than hyped the hell out of their system. With DS Nintendo has made it clear they aren't going anywhere. They have created a system easier to develop for than PSP and they have better third party support. Their big games are coming out in March(Wario Ware=15th of Feb.) to counteract the PSP launch. While I agree their launch in the US was weak I thought their Japan launch was pretty good(Band Bros.,Wario Ware,Mario64DS,Feel the Magic,etc.).

Developpers will abandon the DS long before they abandon the psp. Games are selling well on the DS, but have you seen which ones? Nintendo games. That's it. Those are the only ones on the chart. Third party games just don't sell on Nintendo platforms like they do on playstation, and third parties know that.

The reason third party games sell so well on Playstation is because that's pretty much what the system is. Sony is nothing without third parties. They rely on hyping up their product and having these other companies make their games to stay alive. Nintendo is the most famous video game company on the planet. People will buy Nintendo's big name games. Third parties haven't released big name games on DS. I am pretty sure Feel the Magic did pretty good on DS when it launched a lot better than MG:Acid(a third party game which sold poorly on a Sony system) I'd presume. Oh look at Dynasty Warrior's sales. That's what we call a flop. But it's alright Sony payed Koei's development of the game.

They also know that sales will pick up once more people have the system. Because like you said, the DS has outsold the psp by 1 million in Japan. Too bad that number is shrinking and not growing like it should be.

The number is simply shrinking due to the PSP's initial launch hype. Once that's done we'll have to see how things go. Right now DS has the lead in total sales in Japan. It's only Feb. The numbers for DS will get better.

Summary: Nintendo better get off their ass and do something soon or the handheld market will slip out of their hands just as quickly as the console one did.

Oh really? Tell me who has more third party support right now? Tell me who has better software sales right now? Tell me who plans to ship out the most units by March? Tell me the consumer the handheld industry is dominated by, who owned it for 15 years building consumer trust and who Sony is primarily targeting to get in.

Sony is the one in trouble. Only time will show that to you apparently.

Releasing a 250 dollar system with poor battery life(which gives developers problems when making games because they are being limited by Sony on what they can include i.e. data streaming problem with Konami), a bad square button, PS1 rehashes priced at 40-50 dollars, and many other negativities/problems is not my definition of a revolution the media believes PSP is.

When the glitz and glam of PSP dies off Sony is going to have to scrape up anything they can get their grubby hands on for their system to fight Nintendo.


Sony losing money on PSP

Yea that's right MORE PSP problems

Vert1

Yes DS lost momentum as will PSP. PSP craze will die down.

In Japan maybe, but when it launchs in North America that million units or so gap in sales will really start to close quickly.

Vert1

I consider Wario Ware a killer app for DS. If you disagree I suggest you look at the sales for it in Japan. It's outsold every PSP game this week.

Wario Ware sold because it's a launch title. Launch titles always sell well. Everyone buying a DS bought one (obviously) because they are Nintendo fans. Wario Ware will not sell DSes to people who don't like nintendo, which is what Nintendo needs. Their fanbase is shrinking. Wario Ware will not bring new gamers (as in Sony people) to the DS. Do you really see the casual gamers that drool over GTA going "Holy **** !!111 it's WarioWAre. That's is teh best!!111" No, it doesn't happen.

Vert1

With N64 Nintendo focused on themselves and basically ignored third parties expecting them to come to their system. Well Sony payed off these third parties(most notably Square) and than hyped the hell out of their system. With DS Nintendo has made it clear they aren't going anywhere. They have created a system easier to develop for than PSP and they have better third party support. Their big games are coming out in March(Wario Ware=15th of Feb.) to counteract the PSP launch. While I agree their launch in the US was weak I thought their Japan launch was pretty good(Band Bros.,Wario Ware,Mario64DS,Feel the Magic,etc.).

Big games in March huh? So far I've got Wario Ware, Rayman, and Pokemon Dash coming out in march. Maybe Pac Pix. Yoshi's Touch and Go (Not even a killer app) and Polarium were delayed till april. These are not going to deter people from buying the psp, that has Wipeout, Metal Gear Acid, Untold legends, the sports games, etc, etc. DS is easier to program for, well, the PS2 is very difficult to program for. Didn't do a damn thing. Developpers will force themselves to learn to program for the psp if it is the most popular system. The real battle as you say is in March, in America.

Vert1

The reason third party games sell so well on Playstation is because that's pretty much what the system is. Sony is nothing without third parties. They rely on hyping up their product and having these other companies make their games to stay alive. Nintendo is the most famous video game company on the planet. People will buy Nintendo's big name games. Third parties haven't released big name games on DS. I am pretty sure Feel the Magic did pretty good on DS when it launched a lot better than MG:Acid(a third party game which sold poorly on a Sony system) I'd presume.

Feel the Magic was the only third party game on the DS that ever hit the charts at all. The big sellers were Mario and Wario Ware. If you were a third party, would you rather develop for a system where your games are the big ones, or do you want your games to be overshadowed by Nintendo's? This is why third parties feel so at home with Sony. They know that their games will be treated as important, and they know their games have a good chance of selling. DS and PSP have about the same third party support, but it really isn't showing. DS may have more annonced games, but PSP's strong third party support is really evident when you look at the psp and DS's launch. Where are all those games that were annonced for the DS? Canned? Possibly, we'll see though.

And third parties's big name games don't sell on Nintendo systems either. The only third party game that has sold well on a Nintendo system is Sonic Adventure 2: Battle (near launch, not much else was out), and Soul Calibur 2 (had Link). It's the same with GBA. The big sellers are all Nintendo games. That's a fact and you can't dispute it.

Vert1

The number is simply shrinking due to the PSP's initial launch hype. Once that's done we'll have to see how things go. Right now DS has the lead in total sales. It's only Feb. I think we are all being a bit judgemental.

Yeah I am being judgemental, as are you. What's your point? PSP may be losing hype in Japan, but it's gearing up in North America. DS has no hype in either region. It is only February though so we'll see how things go come E3.

Vert1

Oh really? Tell me who has more third party support right now? Tell me who has better software sales right now? Tell me who plans to ship out the most units by March? Tell me the consumer the handheld industry is dominated by and what Sony is primarily targeting to get in.

Sony is the one in trouble. Only time will show that to you apparently.

Again, see the psp's launch titles in America to see the evidence of their third party support. DS has better software sales, but it's only Mario and Wario, and even those games have lost a lot of steam. If the DS sales keep slowing like they have, these games will drop off the charts soon enough.

Vert1

Releasing a 250 dollar system with poor battery life(which gives developers problems when making games because they are being limited by Sony on what they can include i.e. data streaming problem with Konami), a bad square button, PS1 rehashes priced at 40-50 dollars, and many other negativities/problems is not my definition of a revolution Sony is trying to make happen.

Nintendo launched the DS with 2 N64 rehashes (Ridge Racers, Mario), 1 N-Gage game (Asphalt), 1 orignal game (FTM), and a whole bunch of other crappy games that aren't much better then their gba counterparts (Urbz, Spiderman). Sony is not trying to make a revolution. They are trying to do the same thing they've always done, which is sell powerful, sexy hardware with tons of support from third parties. Your argument of poor battery life, PS1 rehashes, and the square button thing: It doesn't matter. It really doesn't. People are going to buy it regardless. For evidence, check out the sales of Enter the Matrix, the PS2, Driver 3, True Crime, etc, etc. People buy shoddy products all the time. Even hardcore gamers that know of these problems and aren't happy with the price are still going to buy it. Don't believe me? Check this out:

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6117888/index.html

All these editors complained about the problems you mentioned above, yet they all said they would buy the psp on day 1 regardless. You may not agree, but the evidence is there. People want the psp. A lot of people want the psp.

meloche19

These arguments are both fun and completely pointless. But here goes:

In Japan maybe, but when it launchs in North America that million units or so gap in sales will really start to close quickly.

Did I not go over this already. DS is beating PSP in Japan alone by 1 million units.

Wario Ware sold because it's a launch title. Launch titles always sell well. Everyone buying a DS bought one (obviously) because they are Nintendo fans. Wario Ware will not sell DSes to people who don't like nintendo, which is what Nintendo needs. Their fanbase is shrinking. Wario Ware will not bring new gamers (as in Sony people) to the DS. Do you really see the casual gamers that drool over GTA going "Holy **** !!111 it's WarioWAre. That's is teh best!!111" No, it doesn't happen.

What does Nintendo need to do to sell people DS's if it's not create new amazing franchises anyone can enjoy? How does Wario Ware not bring in new gamers? WW is a fun, innovative title for the handheld industry. Perhaps it won't bring in the gamer that does not really exist in the handheld industry(the older,"mature" gamer) but if it doesn't that's not Nintendo's fault. They created a new,innovative, fun game to play and if that's not good enough for people that's to bad. Wario Ware outsells Mario in Japan despite Mario's huge successful career in the industry. SSBM on GC has sold the best for similar reasons as Wario Ware. To think a new,fun game can outsell Nintendo's main game franchises is similar to why Halo is so successful. New and good game provide enjoyment and alter the unimpressed gamer into the new system owner.

Big games in March huh? So far I've got Wario Ware, Rayman, and Pokemon Dash coming out in march. Maybe Pac Pix. Yoshi's Touch and Go (Not even a killer app) and Polarium were delayed till april. These are not going to deter people from buying the psp, that has Wipeout, Metal Gear Acid, Untold legends, the sports games, etc, etc. DS is easier to program for, well, the PS2 is very difficult to program for. Didn't do a damn thing. Developpers will force themselves to learn to program for the psp if it is the most popular system. The real battle as you say is in March, in America.

MG:Acid is the way it is due to the PSP's archetecture and Sony ordering developers on how to make their games. PS1 rehashes charged at 40-50 dollars at the older gamer with PS2(audience Sony seeks) are not that enticing. Pokemon is huge in the portable world. Pac-Man, Yoshi, Awesome Retro Atari Classics, Square-Enix game Egg Monster Hero, BomberMan, Mobile Suit Gundam, and Rayman will help DS out a lot compared to what PSP has for March.

Feel the Magic was the only third party game on the DS that ever hit the charts at all. The big sellers were Mario and Wario Ware. If you were a third party, would you rather develop for a system where your games are the big ones, or do you want your games to be overshadowed by Nintendo's? This is why third parties feel so at home with Sony. They know that their games will be treated as important, and they know their games have a good chance of selling.

Look at Dynasty Warrior's sales. That's what we call a flop. But it's alright Sony payed Koei's development of the game.

DS and PSP have about the same third party support

I'm calling bull****. Konami has more games for DS than PSP same with Square-Enix and Sega. Go look in the PSP and DS forum sections more games are announced for DS than PSP(see Capcom's latest lawyer game and some remake of an old game for DS). The support is not the same. If I have to get a list I will.

but it really isn't showing. DS may have more annonced games, but PSP's strong third party support is really evident when you look at the psp and DS's launch.

DS third party games are coming later this year. As you read above Sony payed off Koei to get their game out at launch. Both companies rushed their systems out.

And third parties's big name games don't sell on Nintendo systems either. The only third party game that has sold well on a Nintendo system is Sonic Adventure 2: Battle (near launch, not much else was out), and Soul Calibur 2 (had Link). It's the same with GBA.

Final Fantasy: Tactics Advance didn't sell like crazy in Japan and do well around the world? Again quit comparing Nintendo's console and their handheld it's not the same market. It is not the same on GBA otherwise third parties wouldn't have kept pouring games onto Nintendo's GBA. Nintendo owns the portable market. Are you telling me that the majority of the 99% of the handheld market Nintendo had neglected third parties? Well that's not true and that wouldn't be Nintendo's fault if the whole industry of handhelds gave third parties the shaft.

The big sellers are all Nintendo games. That's a fact and you can't dispute it.

Maybe but than again Nintendo is huge in video games. GBA third party games do pretty good.

Yeah I am being judgemental, as are you. What's your point? PSP may be losing hype in Japan, but it's gearing up in North America. DS has no hype in either region. It is only February though so we'll see how things go come E3.

I am going to have my sister buy PSP and sell it for double the profit. I will collect some of the extra money she makes because I know people are stupid and want to play Sony products at launch.

Again, see the psp's launch titles in America to see the evidence of their third party support. DS has better software sales, but it's only Mario and Wario, and even those games have lost a lot of steam. If the DS sales keep slowing like they have, these games will drop off the charts soon enough.

Ever thought about how DS came out earlier than PSP and how Sony is nothing without on third parties? Well I have a list printed out of the DS games and let me tell you there are quite a few of the them and the majority clearly are third party games. Launch games do not show how much third party support your system has. The release dates for the system do.

Nintendo launched the DS with 2 N64 rehashes (Ridge Racers, Mario), 1 N-Gage game (Asphalt), 1 orignal game (FTM), and a whole bunch of other crappy games that aren't much better then their gba counterparts (Urbz, Spiderman).

Mario64 is not a rehash. A rehash is something that has little change added to it. 30+ minigames, added levels+stars and 4 playable characters make Mario64 not a rehash game. Feel the Magic is original. Wario Ware Touched is pretty new for gaming. Jam with the Band sounds like a great music game that hasn't been done before on handhelds. Sprung is supposed to be a humorous game. DS SpiderMan2 isn't that bad from what I heard and makes use of the touch pad to make the gameplay something fresh.

Sony is not trying to make a revolution. They are trying to do the same thing they've always done, which is sell powerful, sexy hardware with tons of support from third parties. Your argument of poor battery life, PS1 rehashes, and the square button thing: It doesn't matter. It really doesn't. People are going to buy it regardless.

Than why is GamePro's cover consisting of a pic of PSP with the sentence "The Revolution will be handheld"? Why is Kaz Harai of Sony saying "PSP will elevate portable gaming out of the handheld-gaming ghetto"?? Sony cannot win the trust of consumers in the long run with consumers if DS puts up a fight and PSP's have hardware problems like PS2. Sony is getting a bad reputation like Ford. It does affect them and it does matter.

For evidence, check out the sales of Enter the Matrix, the PS2, Driver 3, True Crime, etc, etc. People buy shoddy products all the time.

Those sale plummeted after the reviews came in and user feedback.

Even hardcore gamers that know of these problems and aren't happy with the price are still going to buy it. Don't believe me? Check this out:

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6117888/index.html

All these editors complained about the problems you mentioned above, yet they all said they would buy the psp on day 1 regardless. You may not agree, but the evidence is there. People want the psp. A lot of people want the psp.

These are editors from a website. I don't consider gamespot hardcore. The media will praise PSP simply because it is made by Sony or perhaps Sony pays them off(see Ziff Davis partially owned by Sony, who runs EGM).

PSP is just like every other failed handheld in history. Do not say things like "There were no serious competitors" because there were(already went over this). Sony thinks they can take over and not put anything down on the table for gamers except better technology. Well they got another thing coming for them.

Thank you for the debate for today(I need to do Homework). I do enjoy debating with people who present a good argument so I can better my own argument. I have learned things from "the opposition" from these kindof debates and it also is a good to hear where the other side is coming from.

meloche19

Wario Ware sold because it's a launch title. Launch titles always sell well. Everyone buying a DS bought one (obviously) because they are Nintendo fans. Wario Ware will not sell DSes to people who don't like nintendo, which is what Nintendo needs. Their fanbase is shrinking. Wario Ware will not bring new gamers (as in Sony people) to the DS. Do you really see the casual gamers that drool over GTA going "Holy **** !!111 it's WarioWAre. That's is teh best!!111" No, it doesn't happen.

You do understand that 65 million people own GBA's, right? That's in less than 4 years. I think Nintendo might know a little something about the handheld market.

Vert1

They created a new,innovative, fun game to play and if that's not good enough for people that's to bad.

Spoken like a true Nintendo exec. Arrogant as hell.

Vert1

Awesome Retro Atari Classics,

meloche19-For evidence, check out the sales of Enter the Matrix, the PS2, Driver 3, True Crime, etc, etc. People buy shoddy products all the time.


Vert1-Those sale plummeted after the reviews came in and user feedback.

Yeah, the Ps2 sales really did flop after user feedback. With or without bad reviews Enter the Matrix still managed to sell over a million units.

I'll never be able to convince you because you're so narrow minded. The problem is, I hope you're right. I just can't blindly say that Nintendo will mop the floor with Sony's ass. I can't see it happening.

BuzzJive

You do understand that 65 million people own GBA's, right? That's in less than 4 years. I think Nintendo might know a little something about the handheld market.

Why are you even bothering to mention this? Wow, go Nintendo! You launched the GBA without any competitors, and you sold a lot of units. Big surprise? Not really. Then they sold even more units with the damn sp, which is what the GBA should've been from the beginning. Luckily I didn't buy the original GBA or I'd have been pissed about the SP.

Sony's sold a hell of a lot of playstations, so you'd think they know a lot about what videogamers want as well don't you think? Notice I used the word videogamers and not handheld or console gamers. You know why? Because people can own both handhelds and consoles at the same time. That's why I can compare the console and the handheld market, because there's generally quite a big overlap between the two markets in terms of userbase. If I like the type of games on Playstation, then I'll like the type on games on psp.

And don't give me this bull**** about remakes because Nintendo does them just as much. The Classic NES series has got to be the biggest rip off imaginable.

BuzzJive

Well yes - they've screwed up twice now on the home console front. Maybe I shouldn't have much faith in them, but for some reason I think they are paying attention to what's going on in the portable market right now. I just think they are waiting for the initial PSP hype to die off before trying to sway the market. They still have a solid year for the DS to stay ahead of the PSP at this rate. It's not as dire as Nintendo haters make it seem to be.

I think I am just confused, this being the first time I am in Nintendo's court has me a bit.....off center so you'll have to excuse my ramblings for now

meloche19

Why are you even bothering to mention this? Wow, go Nintendo! You launched the GBA without any competitors, and you sold a lot of units. Big surprise? Not really. Then they sold even more units with the damn sp, which is what the GBA should've been from the beginning. Luckily I didn't buy the original GBA or I'd have been pissed about the SP.

Sony's sold a hell of a lot of playstations, so you'd think they know a lot about what videogamers want as well don't you think? Notice I used the word videogamers and not handheld or console gamers. You know why? Because people can own both handhelds and consoles at the same time. That's why I can compare the console and the handheld market, because there's generally quite a big overlap between the two markets in terms of userbase. If I like the type of games on Playstation, then I'll like the type on games on psp.

You can't compare the handheld and console markets. You can try. But you'll fail.